2023 Was the worlds warmest year on record by far

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It’s official: 2023 was the planet’s warmest year on record, according to an analysis by scientists from NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI).
    Along with the historic heat, Antarctic sea ice coverage dropped to a record low in 2023.
    https://www.noaa.gov/news/2023-was-worlds-warmest-year-on-record-by-far

    Now... let's be clear: It could have been predicted years ago that 2023 would be the warmest year on record. Not just because of Climate Change, but because of El Niño... and other factors.

    What is unexpected is the level that we reached. It beat the second warmest year on record (2016) by 0.27 of a degree F. This indicates that the change is accelerating faster than expected.

    It has been 47 years since the Earth has seen colder than average year. What all this highlights is the urgency that governments and industry take steps to mitigate the effects.

    The probability that 2024 will be warmer than 2023 is only 1 in 3. And, after that, we enter into a "cooling cycle". Which doesn't actually mean "cooling". It just means that it's unlikely records will be broken. The anti-science crowd use the cooling cycle after 2016 to claim the Global Warming was "over". Very likely they will do it again. But these are cycles. And they are cycles based on averages. If you don't expect to be alive in 2030 (the height of the next cycle), you might feel this won't matter to you. Especially if you could care less about what happens to your children. But make no mistake, even NOT breaking the record means many bad consequences for life, for our infrastructure, for the victims of strong weather events. Way more than we had in the last 8 years.
     
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  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A few months ago I posted a story about an underwater volcano that erupted in the south Pacific. The article pointed out that, while no smoke and ash were sent into the atmosphere, boat loads of water vapor were. Water vapor in the atmosphere traps heat and that's why, according to article, last summer was warmer than usual.
     
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    Glad you’re at least framing it as a matter of mitigation rather than solving.

    That said, you still need to show how mitigation, however you define it, would still be worth a flying F, how it’s practically accomplished, and why the people best suited to accomplishing it are the same ones who can’t even mitigate unarmed people crossing our border illegally.
     
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    Sure....never been hotter
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  5. Golem

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    I have said in almost all my posts about the topic that we have been way past "solving it" for several years. Mitigation means we don't want to make it worse for our children and grandchildren. If you are above... about 30 you're unlikely to see this even stabilizing enough so we can adapt. You can thank Exxon, BP and Shell (and others) disinformation for that. It also means we need to take measures to deal with the many devastating consequences.

    Not sure what your rant about the border has to do with this. To mitigate it, all we need is to WANT to mitigate it. What we need to do is pretty straightforward.
     
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    We're going to have record cold next week. I'll be glad when that global warming kicks in...lol
     
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    Yes, but don't fall into the trap that climate change means only warmer weather. It also means more severe weather like the double snow storms we saw this month across the USA.
    :)
     
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  8. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Record heat last summer, record cold this winter. It’s not a good time to own an electric vehicle since both extreme heat and cold negatively impacts the battery.
     
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    That's right. If the weather isn't perfect, year around, we have to raise taxes, ban gas appliances, ban guns and give the government total control...lol
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you ever noticed how the alarmists never complain when we have a mild and sunny day in the middle of winter?
     
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    Those with a genuine concern for the environment are on a Vegan diet. Meatless Mondays are a good start.
     
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    I'm sure all the deniers will have their own scientific rebuttal. :)
     
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    I hope for a warmer planet with better winters.

    ideally we could reach 1200ppm so that plant growth will be at its peak and make farming easier. Reduced chance of freezing, even better. I think 1200ppm should be our goal.

    It's going to result in some migration but with population decreasing rapidly across the globe we will be able to solve a lot of those issues while slowing down on the co2 output. At least by 1200ppm
     
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    Climate change means severe weather. Of whatever type we are not used to. Because we are not adapted to it, people are displaced, or lose their belongings....or sometimes even their life.
     
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    I could not care less if you eat meat. What you eat is not going to make the slight bit of difference. Electing officials who are willing to address the issue is the only way to deal with the problem.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Raising livestock for food produces more green house gases than vehicles. Why do you need government telling you to to stop creating a demand for things that harm the planet? Will you stop consuming animal products if a certain elected official is in office?
     
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    So let's get politicians who incentivate alternatives into power. They will need to make it appealing: taste and price. But to stop eating meat accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. So DON'T! If it makes you feel better, and you like the product, you can buy the alternative when it's available. If you want. That's up to you! Or you can just buy regular meat. Myself, so long as taste is not a factor, I'll buy whichever is cheaper.
     
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  18. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Well that's easy.

    You go first and let us know how it works out.

    And then I'll see if it's really worth it.
     
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    Or you could hunt for your meat. Same great taste with less cow farts. Of course then you get the anti-gun, anti-hunting crowd all worked up and they happen to be in the same group as the global warming crazies. What a conundrum.
     
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    Unless you're in your teens, I doubt you'll live that long. You'll have to do your own research. Anybody who is too lazy to do that is irrelevant.
     
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    Easy to solve: DON'T hunt for you meat. That's why God invented supermarkets. Could not be easier...
     
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    I have. Not real worried, even if I were in my teens.
     
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    You are incorrect. Raising livestock for food produces more green house gases than vehicles. Your position is a convoluted mixture of "do what you want" combined with "Lets place the government thumb on the scale."

    If solar costs less than grid power, the consumer doesn't need government interference.
    If one has a genuine concern for the environment, they don't need the government to tell them how to consume responsibly. (As if the government is the authority on responsibility.)

    Reading your post, your position appears to be one of wanting an outcome as long as you don't have to be inconvenienced.

    Hunting is far more humane and sustainable then factory farming.
     
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    Oh God invented supermarkets did he? Lol

    I would rather go out and kill a deer or hog once a year that has been a free range animal free of hormone and antibiotics and GMO food and factory farming then support what I just mentioned...
     
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    Yes of course.... Don't allow your personal convictions to guide your decisions and choices.... Virtue signal by electing some bloviating politician and pretend that you have actually done something...
     
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