21% of Those Tested in N.Y.C. Had Virus Antibodies

then stay inside

 

When he refuses to accept the evidence, it becomes his fault.

 

Its based on the deaths we are already seeing and assuming we are undercounting the cases by a factor of 10 which the autibody study is suggesting.

 

I know, right?

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why healthy people aren't allowed to go outside when at-risk populations should be the ones isolating themselves.

 

around here, testing is only conducted with people who are symptomatic and thus the tested to positive rate is high. That is what the doom-and-gloomers have been using to justify tanking the economy. With testing for anti-bodies, reality is starting to appear it makes one wodner the motivation behind keeping things closed.

We've done the flattening of the curve. Hospitals have sufficient beds/gear and in fact, are laying off workers because their census is so low (number of inpatients)

 

As far as I can tell from the Democratic Reichstag, it's because we'd be asymptomatic carriers, and we would spread the virus to the elderly, etc(despite nursing home bans, LOL.) And they're STILL dying. So either people are still going into the homes, or what?

 

Every year around 5,000 people in New York State die from Influenza/Pneumonia.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/newyork/newyork.htm

In just 2.5 months, Covid-19 has killed more than 15,000 New Yorkers.

that's 3x the death toll of flu/pneumonia, and we haven't even reached May.

so yeah, tell yourself its all a hoax

 

20,000 deaths in New York.

Estimated 2.6 million infections.

That's 0.77%, not 1.7%.

 

What you are forgetting is that the vast majority of official cases haven't been resolved and many of them are going to die. So 1.7% instead of .8%.

 

good luck getting that to fly when a fraction of 1% is the death rate. What's next, if I have a cold and sneeze near someone am I trying to give them the flu and kill them?

 

There are always "experts" to justify every fear. Our experts have been very data challenged.
Ordinary Americans are finally figuring that out. It has been a slow process, but it is accelerating now.

 

Where are you getting a fraction of 1% from? Look at the actual covid deaths in the US and Italy.

 

Right, which makes no sense. Because if the at-risk population are doing what they're supposed to do - isolating themselves - then they wouldn't risk being exposed.

 

sorry, its 15,000

 

There have been some totally untrue and not peer reviewed garbage coming out this week. I think even Stanford came out with one. Pretty poor for them but obviously some people with money want people to believe this so that they can make more regardless of how many lives it destroys. I think that the real rate of infection is believed to be about 3%. It is more than we know about but nowhere near herd immunity. I also think all the people who are young and who believe it is fine if the old die as they are not really people and dying anyway ought to have a further think. It looks like this virus may result in permanent lung damage and one of the people in the sample I saw was only 18. I know doctors in Belgium ( or was it Holland) said they were getting in mainly young people and they had never seen such lung damage in people so young. There are other illness which it can make worse as well. We are just learning about this virus. It may be that in its first batch, the one it is in now, it kills mainly the old or those above 50 getting more and more deadly the older people get but it looks like we are going to find that the young who get it, and the girl above with the permanent lung damage was supposed to have a 'mild' infection, are going to have basically life long disabilities.

So, as everyone says things will never be the same again. We need to think about the future we will provide as we take advantage of the current situation to deal with the climate emergency. Change had to happen.

 

So should the governments, in order to get a more factual number, open more testing for people regardless of symptoms? More testing is going to undercut the narrative and help us even quicker get back to a normal society.

 

So 5,000 deaths is okay.

But 15,000 deaths is not okay.

How did you arrive at this magic number?

 

I'm not forgetting anything. The figure I cited is based on the numbers we have. Your figure is based on your imagination. Try to understand the difference.

 

I agree we need to do more studies, but current studies show that the cases are being undercounted by a factor of up to 10. That still results in millions of deaths without a lockdown just like studies have said. We have to act now to prevent countless death, and to some extent that is what we are already doing.

 

20,000 in New York State.

15,000 in New York City.

 

Yes, the Stanford study must be "garbage" because it doesn't conform to the hysterical narrative being peddled by the alarmists.

 

Why do healthy people need to stay at home if at-risk individuals are isolating themselves like they should be?

 

Flying in that face of what CNN and MSNBC claim to the contrary via their over-the-top and hysteria-based coverage is going to confuse a great many of our leftists, since they are definitely NOT accustomed to questioning anything that fits into the narrative formed for them by their media outlets. It's going to take time for them to re-write reality to, first, consider this information a bad thing and then, second, blame these new facts somehow . . . on . . . Trump.

 

Your number assumes the deaths we have seen from those currently infected are all the deaths we are ever going to see. As we speak, there are tens of thousand of people on their deathbeds hooked up to ventilators. It is preposterious to assume none of them are going to die when covid has been so lethal to people in critical care previously.

 

As more cases are discovered by antibody testing the death rate drops fast. All of the models and projections are being exposed as dangerous election cycle Fake Science/Fake News political hype.

"But if the state’s numbers indicated the true incidence of the virus, they would mean that more than 1.7 million people in New York City, and more than 2.6 million people statewide, have already been infected.

That is far greater than the 250,000 confirmed cases of the virus itself that the state has recorded.

It would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus was relatively low, about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."
THE NEW YORK TIMES, Cuomo Says 21% of Those Tested in N.Y.C. Had Virus Antibodies: Live Updates, The preliminary data suggests that many more New Yorkers may have been infected than was previously believed., Governor Cuomo, Transcript of briefing, 4/23/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html