21% of Those Tested in N.Y.C. Had Virus Antibodies

Yes, yes... CHINA BAD.

I know.

Meanwhile, a study conducted by a Stanford researcher in Santa Clara county revealed that the mortality rate for COVID is probably somewhere closer to 1 or 2 deaths per 1,000 infections.

In other words, basically nothing.

 

The real number for New York is 13%. We would need the whole country to get what happened to New York 8 times over to get herd immunity. We would be out for a whole year or have our hospitals completely overwhelmed. There is also no guarantee immunity lasts longer than a few months or that covid won't mutate like the cold and the flu do.

 

That's how the universe is, no guarantees ever.

 

We're not trying to kill you. People that are old or immunocompromised should continue to either isolate and/or take protective preventative measures. But the American Republic must live. And it must not live in a Stasi totalitarian State just so you can live.

 

We can let the universe kill millions of people or we can be like South Korea, Taiwan, China, and Germany and actually beat this thing.

 

20k over 2.6 million.
0.76%

 

We've fought the Battle of the Bulge, and the bulge is down. That parameter is the original exit strategy of flattening the curve. Time to get back to work.

 

And that will drop.

 

And we need to keep it down. The fight isn't over.

 

We're gonna fight it on the march, not in the bunkers.

 

So what is the magic amount of dead people that requires the entire country to forfeit their basic freedoms indefinitely?

 

How convenient.

Permit me to spell it out for you. I posted that picture because

1) The Governor of Virginia, Ralph "Coonman" Northam (D-VA) is in it

and

2) That picture belabors the painfully obvious fact that Northam's wisdom and judgement are the furthest things from infallible and unerring.

Pure speculation. I don't live and work in a densely populated urban area where your assumptions might be reasonably valid.

BTW, other than yourself I don't know where you got your "house arrest for weeks" from. We were placed under house arrest for months not weeks by a half-wit who would have us believe that he possesses the ability to see deep into the future, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Carnac the Magnificent has a history of grossly and mistakenly overreacting to situations that have called his amazing supernatural powers into question:

It's déjà vu all over again...

Perhaps, I can help you out with that, too.

First of all, Trump didn't order everyone in the country to stay home for months, did he?

Secondly, I presume that is because our President, unlike our Governor, recognizes that the WuFlu has impacted different areas differently so the responses should be handled differently, not in a one-response-fits-all manner.

In light of that, it would appear that Trump does see the truth that millions of other Americans including myself can so plainly see.

 

Way to sidestep the question.

Over a million people die each year from cancer and heart disease.

Do you think we should radically overhaul our society in response? Why or why not?

It absolutely does.

 

There is no "we" here. You're not my master. I'm not your slave. You don't get to strip me of my basic rights because old people are dying from a virus.

 

Here's the problem with math and probabilities though: Those raw numbers, are of course individual people, with individual immune systems fighting this virus. This has actually been a point of recent discussion: For 80% of people, they're going to get coronavirus and they're going to bounce back from it.

It's that 20% of people who are in the critical phase, and if we can reduce that 20% in half, then that's even more people recovered. When you go the exponential route, you presume that people will automatically double up and die. But it doesn't work like that, in the real world.

Some will die, yes. And unfortunately in a large number, but many more will live. Many more will live without the need for a ventilator or anything like it.(In fact, ventilators apparently are making it worse and doctors are talking about that too. How they were being mandated to use the invasive one, rather than the non-invasive one.)

 

The vaccine will be useless by then, just like the H1N1 vax of a few years ago.

 

I am not assuming people will double up or die. I am assuming the same death rate that we already are seeing, about 1.7% without a healthcare system collapse. There is no reason that anyone who hasn't been infected will be any more resilient. If anything, the young and healthy people are doing less social distancing and are more likely to have caught it. This means that if thing virus spreads further, it will now be more of the old and sick who get it next.

 

So you are fine with 5-10 million people dying? In that case, we will see a lot of doctors and nurses getting infected and many others abandoning their posts. Also essential workers will begin leaving their jobs. In times of crisis, like WWII, we need to enact a united national response to protect our liberty from this virus.

 

The fight against tyranny has just begun.

 

Do you LW think you are fooling -anyone- with the "after a vaccine" horseshit that you apparently just made up and are now repeating like a mantra... after ALL the other mantras didn't hold water for your sick dystopian political power fantasies? After the science isn't as bad as you hoped for Orangeman or good for your fervently wishful ballot fraud for Fall 2020? Do you lot ever posture as adults dealing with adults? Most of us are not in fact 12, but adults well-familiar with AIDS, MERS, SARS, Hurricanes, Terrorism, etc. having lived through those.

Do you think you are fooling anyone with your "every life is sacred" shtick? the Abortion Party? Fooling anyone as the Party who will be right back to mischaracterizing your senior citizen opposition (rural hicks, uneducated, evangelicals, etc.) who vote overwhelmingly against you, and whom you don't give a rat's ass about whether they live or die until they prove politically expedient for you for a few minutes?

I don't think you are fooling anyone here or many American voters with this sackcloth and ashes fakery over seasonal Flu-like illness deaths you COULD CARE LESS ABOUT UNTIL ORANGEMAN.

Don't bother lying and denying it. We've read your posts.

 

The virus wins on the march but loses in the bunkers. If everyone were frozen in place for a couple weeks 10 feet apart, the virus would have no chance.

 

And such is sadly the nature of every virus in the world. Once we got through the cycle of the Spanish Flu, we were able to live our lives. Some people are going to die. I acknowledge that, that's brutal reality. L would acknowledge that.

The question is, are we going to hold ourselves indefinitely, just so that 'a couple less then some' will die? It doesn't seem pragmatic, and that's something L wouldn't do.

 

Agreed. This virus has been a tyranny against humanity and people need to stay home.

 

I repeat: What is the magic number of dead people that justifies the indefinite suspension of basic rights for the entire country?

 

....did you think Northam came up with the concept for pandemic control measures or that he has anything to do with NYC antibody testing though?

The "pure speculation" that I made applies to the country as a whole. It is a myth that this virus will only densely populated areas. It will affect them first, but it will affect your area just as well.

And I said weeks because I was discussing the entire country - some of which came under such orders weeks ago.

Trump definitely and explicitly encouraged every State to adopt stay at home orders as well as the other pandemic control measures which placed the economy under tremendous strain. And he did so despite the "truth" that you can plainly see which is that all of it was unnecessary because those pandemic control measures are simply a leftist political ploy to hurt Trump's re-election chances.