210 Democrats Voted Against Providing Immediate Medical Assistance to Babies Who Survive Abortion

Worse if I am understanding this it would force medical personnel to attempt futile resuscitation on non viable foetuses

 

On what? Only 1.3% of abortions are done post viability and the vast majority of those are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life.
Do you want resuscitation efforts on a foetus this size?



if so why are we not currently resuscitating miscarried foetuses at the same stage? Why is 22 weeks the youngest we can resuscitate? Because all the organs are immature including the skin which rips if you touch it.

 

But where are these viable foetuses being left to die? RvW only applied to pre viability

 

This is driving me nuts! Where are the abortion clinics doing post viability abortions (later than 22 weeks) on healthy foetuses? I mean apart from those clinics operating outside the law and Kermit Gosnell was a perfect example of that

He is still in prison BTW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

 

One good reason to vote against this is it's already a crime to let a baby born alive die. It's homicide. This law is weaker than that so it's pointless. Under current law, a baby born alive under any scenario must be cared for. This is called excess regulation and it's something conservatives should oppose as well.

 

It is worse than that because it may well force medical staff into futile resuscitation

 

Have you ever seen a resuscitation in real life?

Now NICU has its own horrors. Imagine watching the skin tear under your fingers bruising and bleeding throughout the body………..

 

Yeah, I mean I am confident in the ethics of doctors that they know when to use extreme measures and when not to. They're not perfect, but I don't see that this law solves any problem other than to reaffirm to voters, who already know, that Republicans want to ban abortion to appear pro life and democrats don't want to ban it.

 

It is a dog whistle “what about the Baaaaaabiiiieeees”.

As I keep pointing out the vast majority of abortions occur pre viability and yet I do not see any provision for this la only to apply to post viability. Those abortions occurring after 22 weeks are overwhelmingly for foetal abnormality incompatible with life - and there is no way you want to attempt resuscitation on something destined to die I.e. anencephalic babies who are born without a brain

 

Yeah it's especially one because it's not pro life to simply oppose abortion. I'm pro choice and to me abortion is the last resort. In my ideal world, there would be zero abortions and everyone would only get pregnant when they wanted to. Obviously ideal and real world don't line up so it's fine to let people choose. But the notion that a fetus is worthy of laws requiring health care to save them but a living child isn't worthy of guaranteed life affirming care is silly. What do they think those fetuses turn into? And the idea that stopping a beating heart is murder is equally silly. We stop beating human hearts quite frequently and don't call it murder. There's plenty of hypocrisy in the world, but this issue takes a good slice of the cake for sure.

 

Highest rates of infant mortality……..”red” states hands down

 

I would hope they would work to improve that. Again, in an ideal world, it would be zero and that should be the target with the understanding that tragedies will happen, but they shouldn't happen due to lack of care. that's a problem we can fix easily enough.

 

So, we are supposed to believe that abortionists, who commit manslaughter as a profession suddenly rush a botched abortion baby to the ER?

Suddenly they have a conscience?

It's an amazing fantasy world in liberal land.

 

This law is intended to protect the 1.3%.

Do they not deserve protection?

 

19 states allow it.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

 

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LOL, that was 7 pounds???

Are you lonely? Why else would you respond to that post....

 

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On what? Only 1.3% of abortions are done post viability and the vast majority of those are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life.
Do you want resuscitation efforts on a foetus this size?

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if so why are we not currently resuscitating miscarried foetuses at the same stage? Why is 22 weeks the youngest we can resuscitate? Because all the organs are immature including the skin which rips if you touch it.

So you don't know what " foetal abnormality incompatible with life." means but yet you keep discussing it....how odd...

 

What part of “foetal abnormality incompatible with life” is difficult?

 

Allow what? We are talking post viability here - now I have been generous in putting viability at 22 weeks but more commonly it is 24 weeks

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

the 14 states ban abortion AT VIABILITY - not beyond. Viability being the line of the youngest survivor which is 22 weeks foetal age (not 22 weeks of pregnancy). Most premmies that young die

 

Is it? Abortion is made legal to a certain extend. Get over it.

The law the GOP is whining about is: Doctors would be forced to give medical attention as a “reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive.”

And the point still is: that those who are born alive, are already protected by law.
So all that law is about, is freaking right wing emo crap to score cheap points with laws that aren't needed.
And they are wasting time and money over that, instead of doing something that does matter.

 

One of the best argument for legalised abortion is that it does involve well qualified professionals who will act within the ethical standards of the health care industry. Once it becomes illegal you will get more Kermit Gosnells

 

And it is forcing the hand of medical professionals - like it or not not everyone baby is a perfect Gerber baby

 

So you're suggesting all botched late term abortions are fetal abnormalities incompatible with life?

Interesting.

You should reach out to these people and remind them they are incompatible with life.

https://abortionsurvivors.org/

 

So, you too are claiming that all botched abortions resulting in a live birth are incompatible with life?

 

It's amazing to me the number of people who try to rationalize and defend murder.

1,000 years from now, it will be perceived as barabic and sick.

I'll be on the right side of history.