52 Saudi clerics, scholars call to battle Russian forces in Syria

Hey Vis....what's shaken?

I personally believe that Putin's decision to send the Russian Military into Syria and carry out attacks on the FSA to be ultimately self defeating.

This is a no win scenario for Russia and I think the only reason Putin ordered the Russian Military in was to create another crisis to keep the Russian peoples eye's looking in the other way of the direction of Putin's illegal actions in Russia specific to stealing Billions of Dollars of profit from Russian Energy exports.

It makes no sense for Russia to be in Syria.

It doesn't help Russia Politically, Economically or Militarily and all it does is P!$$ OFF a whole bunch of Sunni Muslims that can easily penetrate the extremely long and porous Russian boarder.

AboveAlpha

 

ok, we both know that Putin is stupid , but still what is his strategical goal (realistic, with out Kiselev´s propaganda BS) in Syria?

 

Putin is not stupid.

He is desperate.

Think about this....Putin has seized every single privately owned large company in Russia and placed 110 Buddies of his in charge of these companies as they have been declared to be STATE OWNED.

Putin did this under the guise of Tax Evasion as a few large Privately Owned Russian Energy Companies were behind paying their Taxes.

Putin used this as an excuse to seize ALL large privately owned Russian Companies and Putin makes sure all these companies now pay their TAXES on time but Putin and his 110 Buddies have stolen all the PROFIT of these Russian Companies!!!

Because of this Putin and his 110 Buddies own over 35% OF ALL RUSSIAN WEALTH!!!

35%!!!!!!

This is the largest wealth disparity between a small group....110 people....and a large group....145 MILLION PEOPLE.....in recorded HISTORY!!!

So if you are Putin you want to make certain that the Russian people's eye's and mind's are all looking and thinking about anything to do with the fact that Putin is effectively stealing the Gold Fillings out of the Teeth of Russia!!!

So it seems that every few months a new crisis is created and nobody here in the United States either worries, pays attention or cares about anything Putin say's as we all know Putin only say's such things to play up to a Russian Audience!!!

And the really SAD thing is when I read posts by Russian Members who listen to the crap coming out of Putin's mouth that there is some kind of CRISIS between Russia and the United States and that MILITARY ACTION AND WAR will occur.

That simply is NOT going to happen.

AboveAlpha

 

Uhhh, I have news for you. The Chechnyans hate the Wahabbis and all Islamic extremists, and have made a vow on the Quran to fight them wherever they are. They want to go to Syria and fight, and Putin will not give them permission.

Now let me ask you something. If Putin stole all Russia's money and it is so broke, where are they finding money for missiles, jets, helicopters, subs, etc.

Something's mighty fishy here. Maybe they're hiding something from us like platinum and gold mines all over Siberia?

 

Those men are not Syrians. They are given Syrian passports by Turkey so they can get into Europe easily as refugees. They are Pakistanis, Afghans, Iraqis, etc. Greece has been battling with this problem for years.

Erdogan has political reasons for swarming Europe with migrants...after all he has to build his new Ottoman Empire someway.

 

Oh then it's Assad and not ISIS? Interesting!

 

we are bith right, he is stuppied when he sent his army in Crimea, do you agree? ps great post...

+1,
whats funny here , that Muscovy has never been so oligarchic as much as under khan Putin but the Local vatniks believe that he is against oligarchs))LOL

 

Jeannette....I have posted links to this many times but here you go....

LINK....http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-110-people-own-35-133554175.html

The money that is being stolen by Putin and 110 Buddies of Putin is the Profit Money made from Russian Energy Exports.

These companies that were seized and are now State Owned and have one of Putin's Buddies running them make sure to pay their Taxes on time as this was the excuse Putin used to seize every single large company in Russia.

But they have not payed out a single Ruble in Profit Money to the Russian People...not one Ruble!!!

As far as building Tanks and Jets...etc....well those Companies are State Owned as well.

When you just keep printing up Rubles what happens?

They lose their value.

What happened in 2014?

The Ruble devalued so low it was rendered WORTHLESS for a time and the World Bank and IMF came in and designated the U.S. Treasury and U.S. Dollar as Russia's Emergency Currency!!!

For quite some time in 2014 NO ONE WOULD ACCEPT RUBLES FOR PAYMENT!!!

AboveAlpha

 

ISIS is required to deal with Assad's ilk.

 

Dear Jeannete,
I think you idealize Putin. Just today the government has approved the budget for the next year. Guess how they compensate deficit of money? They decided to take away all the pensions from the private accounts of each holder and put it in the common budget (in Russia there are two contributions to pension-one is obligatory and one is not- that is by wish you transfer money as much as you want to get it back after you retire). So the non-obligatory part of the pensions was now taken away. Instead of feeding budget with the incomes of rich people by raising the taxes or whatover, they do it with the income of the most unprotected and poor people.
What I want also to say that Putin indeed covers the corruption in Russia. Those people who are close to him (like former ministry of defence Serdyukov) in spite of the fact being involved in huge corruption manage to escape the prison, while all those who has no power of course are punished. One can steal a million in Russia and enjoy his/her life, while another one can steal a piece of bread and can go to prison for several years.

 

Here I would completely agree with you.

 

Yes, I think Russia tries to play geopolitical games going to Syria without having good cards. We better concentrated on our internal problems.
What I would expect is that we will stuck in Syria, like it has happened in Afghanistan.

 

do you think its good for the country future?

 

Litwin, no, I do not think it is good.

 

This is a good thread! I haven't seen or heard about any of this from US news sources.

 

Alpha is a disinformation agent. Russia never sent boots into Syria other than advisors and 1,500 marines to guard the airport and base...nor does it have plans to send in troops. Putin wouldn't even give permission to Kadyrov to send his troops in when he said they swore on the Quran in '98' to fight terrorists no matter where they are.

There are though Russian volunteers in Syria, many who had fought in the Donbas...and Putin said he can't stop them. Even Motorola is there and he and others have every right to fight wherever they want.

Two months ago an Iranian General paid Moscow a visit with a plan on how to stop ISIS in Syria, and he needed Russia's help with the bombardments. Now that ISIS has been weakened, the Syrian troops together with Iranian and Lebanese ones, will be advancing to retake the cities which had fallen to ISIS.

I don't think Russia's fear is Syria, since they seem to have full control of the country. It's that Iraq and even Afghanistan are asking now for Russia's help, and Russia might be forced to expand their fight against ISIS in those countries. The terrorists there will soon be heading for the Central Asia states, and that will directly affect Russia.

This of course is going to freak Washington out even more so than it's freaking out now since it will lose control of those areas...unless it feels Russia will get bogged down. One thing Russia has learned though is never put your own army in a foreign land. Arm the people instead to fight their own battles...that way you remain friends.

 

Alpha you are unbelievable. Everything the US is doing, like printing up money non stop to buy arms, you say Russia is doing. Now how about some reality from Sharon Tennyson. She lived there thirty two years, and knew Putin before he became president:

February 2000

Almost immediately Putin began putting Russia's oligarchs on edge. In February a question about the oligarchs came up; he clarified with a question and his answer: "What should be the relationship with the so-called oligarchs? The same as anyone else. The same as the owner of a small bakery or a shoe repair shop." This was the first signal that the tycoons would no longer be able to flaunt government regulations or count on special access in the Kremlin.

It also made the West's capitalists nervous. After all, these Russian oligarchs were wealthy untouchable businessmen - - good capitalists, never mind that they got their enterprises illegally and were putting their profits in offshore banks.

Four months later Putin called a meeting with the oligarchs and gave them his deal: They could keep their illegally-gained wealth-producing Soviet enterprises and they would not be nationalized .... IF taxes were paid on their revenues and if they personally stayed out of politics.

This was the first of Putin's "elegant solutions" to the near impossible challenges facing the new Russia. But the deal also put Putin in crosshairs with US media and officials who then began to champion the oligarchs, particularly Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

The latter became highly political, didn't pay taxes, and prior to being apprehended and jailed was in the process of selling a major portion of Russia's largest private oil company, Yukos Oil, to Exxon Mobil. Unfortunately, to U.S. media and governing structures, Khodorkovsky became a martyr (and remains so up to today).​

 

Goomba the only thing Assad has destroyed is the ambitions of the jihadists. Too bad!

 

And yet the war goes on, and will continue to go on.

 

+1, Muscovite bombings make situation only worst , i have a question a lot of rapport that Hezbollah is leaving or was leaving Syria , is it right?

 

like many experts say : Putin with his external crazy - actions tries to fix his internal problems. and Syria is just a bargain chip...

 

Nothing that Putin is doing makes sense to me..

Read this and let me know what you think.

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/427592-russia-plotting-bring-down-opec.html

 

I don't know about that, but it seems that war - weariness has set in.

http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Middle...g-war-wearing-down-key-Assad-backer-Hezbollah

 

That link probably should have its own thread.

"Hezbollah, backed by regional power Iran, has played an essential role in helping keep Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power as his forces have battled an uprising for more than four years. Russia, too, has stepped in more forcefully to prop up Mr. Assad in a conflict that has claimed some 250,000 lives and forced millions of Syrians into exile. The human tide has overwhelmed the capacity of Syria’s neighbors to absorb refugees and is now testing that of Europe.

But the move has put a strain on Hezbollah, which has paid a price in lives and prestige, with many analysts saying the toll in three years in Syria must have exceeded the 1,276 from 18 years spent battling Israel’s occupation.

In 2006, after Hezbollah fought the Israeli army to a costly standstill, the Shiite leader nevertheless topped popularity polls in the Arab world. Today, however, he is reviled by most Sunni Muslims, his party vilified as “Hizbu Shaitan,” meaning Party of the Devil, a twist on “Hezbollah,” which means Party of God.

Lebanon’s Shiite community generally continues to support Hezbollah’s actions in Syria. The threat posed by Sunni extremists, such as the self-described Islamic State (IS), does much to keep the community rallied around the yellow banner of Hezbollah and the protection given by its formidable army.

Yet signs of unease and dissent are growing. Hezbollah’s usually resilient base is beginning to feel the burden of a war now in its fifth year that has claimed the lives of a quarter million people and shows no sign of ending. Some are wearily asking – albeit in muted tones for now – where Nasrallah, a leader in whom they traditionally place absolute trust, is taking Hezbollah, the Shiite community, and Lebanon.

“We are with the resistance [Hezbollah], and we have faith in Nasrallah when he promises us victory in Syria. But how much longer is it going to take and how many more of our sons will die before victory?” asks Umm Ali, mother of a Hezbollah fighter killed in Syria in 2013.

 

Margot, Russia's reaction has nothing to do with OPEC. You don't know the history in that part of the world. You don't know the experiences of the nations in that part of the world. You don't know the threats imposed upon nations, as well as security concerns and historical grievances.

Even more important you don't know the issues that pertain to the territorial waters and continental shelfs in the Mediterranean. When I read that Erdogan was prepared to claim a no fly zone in Syria, I thought to myself is he crazy? Has he forgotten Russia...and does he have any idea of how they are going to react to it?