52 Saudi clerics, scholars call to battle Russian forces in Syria

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-just-handed-isis-big-171200987.html

 

+ don´t forget of the lack of technologies, Muscovites can attack only the line of engagement

 

Well since the U.S. Military accidentally hit that Hospital and even though we did we still make less mistakes and kill less civilians than any other Military on the Planet....I have gotten heat from some members about talking about Surgical Strikes by the U.S. Military.

But you are correct....Russian Aircraft and their Pilots cannot hit targets with anywhere NEAR the accuracy that the U.S. Military can.

Unless there is a malfunction...and that's what happened in the Hospital incident and it will happen as nothing is 100% Surgical....unless there is a malfunction the United States Military can hit any target dead on within a few feet.

One example of incredible accuracy along with speed and power is the F-15E Strike Eagle.

It can get in quick and bomb a target well before a target can react as the F-15E is Supersonic and is without a doubt the most capable Attack Aircraft on the Planet.

AboveAlpha

 

the experts say that Muscovy simply doest have the modern robot navigation drones or satellite systems, they are years and years behind USA or Israel . can you write more about it?

use subtotals

[video=youtube;RFS-i5xN0dA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFS-i5xN0dA[/video]

 

Well although Russian's and the Russian Soviet's before them got a jump on the United States as far as Space-Technology the U.S. has a huge Superiority in Satellite Guidance Technology.

It was and is the United States that developed, deployed and maintains the Worlds GPS Navigation System.

GPS Satellite Constellation: The baseline satellite constellation consists of 24 satellites positioned in six earth-centered orbital planes with four operation satellites and a spare satellite slot in each orbital plane. The system can support a constellation of up to thirty satellites in orbit.

The GPS Satellites must DAILY have their internal clocks changed as due to Time Dilation a Satellites internal clock will be behind in time a small amount as the further and faster an object travels away or around a Celestial Bodies Gravity Well.....the amount of time passage for the Satellites is less than the amount of time passage on Earth.

This is known as TIME DILATION and shows us that FORWARD IN TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE AND HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED by both Astronauts and Cosmonauts and others who have traveled in Space.

The GPS Satellite Constellation was developed by the United States and deployed and is maintained by the U.S. thus the U.S. used the GPS Satellite Constellation to designate and deliver bombs dropped from U.S. Military Aircraft.

The USAF B-2 Stealth Bomber that has seats a crew of 2 can deploy both conventional and thermonuclear weapons, such as eighty 500 lb (230 kg)-class (Mk 82) JDAM Global Positioning System-guided bombs or sixteen 2,400 lb (1,100 kg) B83 nuclear bombs which using the U.S. GPS Satellite Constellation the B-2 is capable of delivering within a foot of target. The B-2 is the only acknowledged aircraft that can carry large air-to-surface standoff weapons in a stealth configuration as well is capable of delivering the (MOP) which is compatible with the equipment necessary to deploy the 30,000 lb (14,000 kg) Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), which is intended to attack reinforced bunkers; up to two MOPs could be equipped in the B-2's bomb bays.

The B-2 can also carry 36× 750 lb CBU class bombs on BRA and carry 16× 2,000 lb class bombs (Mk-84, GBU-31) mounted on Rotary Launcher Assembly (RLA).

All of these Bombs are GPS Guided and will impact within feet of the designated targets GPS Coordinates.


The U.S. Military also has other precision methods of Missile Guidance such as Laser Designated Targets and Starlight Guidance,

Russia simply does not have anywhere NEAR the same Military Budget as the United States.

AboveAlpha

 

quote of the day...so what they try to achieve with the second in 2015 hybrid war with USA?
ps great answer...

 

As I keep saying....for Putin to get involved in Syria....well it just makes no sense.

Before with just the U.S. and Allied Military's striking Sunni Extremist Targets it was the Allies and the United States that was taking all the heat and drawing the ire of Sunni's across the Middle East....but at least the U.S. was attacking ISIS and not attacking the Free Syrian Army or FSA.

Now Putin sends in the Russian Military and the Russian's are attacking and bombing a list of FSA Targets hand picked by Assad.

The Russian Air Strikes are nowhere near as accurate as U.S. Air Strikes so a number of Syrian Civilian's have died while ISIS is only attacked by the U.S. as Russia has concentrated all it's Bombing Attacks upon the FSA.

From a Military, Political and Strategic viewpoint it makes no sense for Russia to get involved as Russia has a very long and porous boarder that will allow Sunni Extremists to easily slip into Russia and possibly start Terrorist Attacks.

Thing is we WARNED the Russian Military and offered to work with them and give them highly detailed U.S. Satellite and High Flying U.S. Aircraft Recon. that would give the Russian Military a much more detailed and comprehensive information of exactly what was going on and where ISIS was on the ground.

Russia went and bombed on their own and this has really drawn the IRE of OPEC Nations which are predominantly Sunni.

OPEC will retaliate by increasing Oil Production which will really hurt the Russian Economy.

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha i think we move to the wrong direction when we stated from Syria. me, you and all experts with numbers and facts have proved that for Putin Syria is just a bargaining chip for Crimea. so in order to talk about Syria we have to start with Crimea. any project begins from research , question has Putin done any research before he sent his army in Crimea? did Putin really think that the Europe once again accepted Hitler´s interpretation of international law with dominance principal of "national" borders over state borders one?
[video=youtube;71RjIejjiEw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71RjIejjiEw[/video]

 

picture : Russian cruise missile fired at Syria from the Caspian Sea

A close-up

 

The US has been funding and arming ISIS.Lying to the people.
They're not trying to harm ISIS in any way shape or form and crying because the Russians are.
That is the situation.
Ask yourself this: Why was ISIS not taken out when they were all bunched together in a convoy on a nice little remote road?No civilians around.
The ineptitude boggles the mind.
If Putin and Russian soldiers step up to bat and put those turds in the ground where they belong,good on them.
The US isn't doing it.By choice.Not from lack of capability.

 

pure madness ...

 

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is in BIG trouble and they know it. They see a wilting, demented U. S. giving Iran the ability to go right on with its nuclear weapons development completely undetected and uninspected. They also see an intelligently forceful Vladimir Putin taking Russia into the leadership position of a loose aggregation of Syria, Iran, and whatever will be left of Iraq. They know that Obama doesn't want to do anything of any consequence during the remainder of his time in office except to bask in the glow of being "the first Black president" (sort of), and prepare himself for years of golf and million-dollar dinner speaking engagements.

If the Saudi rulers know what's good for them, they'll be ready to take off for Switzerland at a moment's notice. These people are not stupid. They know that if British and American petroleum geologists hadn't found oil under their miserable, vast deserts a hundred years ago that they'd be living in tents and burning dried dung to cook their food, much as their ancestors did. Surely the idea of living the rest of their wastrel, parasitic lives in wealth and splendor is superior to that of being shoved to their knees and having their heads sliced off....

 

Everyone has an opinion.

 

whats about maps of bombings ?

 

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I do not understand these maps. If they are true, the strikes are aimed to Rebellions rather than to IS.

 

they are true, you can find here the experts and AA posts, Muscovite jets simply can not technologically hit IS positions

 

I do value your opinion about anything involving Saudi Arabia, Margot. Now that the U. S. has proven that we really are stupid enough to engage in a nuclear "agreement" that will allow Iran to develop anything they want at any location they declare to be a "military" site, it is inevitable that Iran will go after the rulers of Saudi Arabia. If you disagree, please tell us all why.

What appears to be developing is a loosely-knit military alliance between Syria, Iran, what is left of Iraq, and Russia. The only hope I can see for the rulers of Saudi Arabia is to put together an alliance of their own with Israel and, perhaps, Jordan (?). And the KSA cannot depend or rely on the United States for any real support. Obama is too busy right now trying to seize opportunities to strip American citizens of our right to own and use self-defense weapons to care about a bunch of multi-billionaire princes and their king in Saudi Arabia.

 

Well, much as I'd hate it the Saudis may get their own nukes, but in the interim Pakistan is very loyal to the Saudis and they have nukes.

US businesses sell lots and lots of goods and services to KSA.. its in the hundreds of millions ... There are 250 businesses in South Carolina alone doing business with KSA.

As for new alliances... It does appear that Iran-Syria-Iraq and Russia have some sort of agreement, but Putin doesn't make much sense to me.. Some pundits are saying that he wants to break OPEC or that the Saudis want Russia to join OPEC.... or that Putin wants to control all the oil from the Caspian to the Persian Gulf...

The Shia are still a minority in the Muslim world..so Putin may be betting on the wrong horse.

 

As I have posted many times....the reason why Putin annexed the Crimea was because of the Ukrainian Government hiring American Energy Giant Exxon-Mobile to do Test Drilling in the Crimea.

Russian Test Drillers were under orders from Putin to falsify test drilling data as the Russian Test Drillers to the Ukrainian Government that after they had completed only about 25% of the total planned test drilling in the Crimea that the test drilling so far had indicated very little Oil and Natural Gas deposits in the Crimea and that the Ukrainian Government should probably just ask them to stop doing test drilling in order to save money.

The Ukrainian Government agreed to stop the test drilling as they felt that something was up and the Ukrainian Government then hired Exxon-Mobile to come into the Crimea to do test drilling.

Exxon-Mobile started at a number of test drilling locations and after only 10% of the total number of locations in the Crimea that Exxon-Mobile planned to drill they had already found that the Crimea had over 6000 TIMES the amount of Oil and Natural Gas that Putin Controlled Russian Test Drilling Teams had said they had detected.

So Exxon-Mobile developed an overall plan of setting up Drilling and Pumping Stations and Putin understood that with such High Tech. American Drilling Technology that within only 4 to 6 months Exxon-Mobile would have developed a dependable and long term Ukrainian/Crimean Natural Gas Supply that the Ukrainian's would offer to Europe at prices much lower than Russian Natural Gas.

Thus the Ukrainian would undercut Russian Natural Gas Prices then using their own highly complex and large Ukrainian Natural Gas pipeline to Europe that was at the time supplying Europe with Russian Natural Gas....but with such inexpensive Crimean Natural Gas the Ukraine would replace Russia as Europe's #1 Supplier of Natural Gas.

Putin was fearful of this as Putin had lost Pro-Russian Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who had ABANDONED OFFICE and had FLED TO RUSSIA after Viktor Yanukovych found out he was being brought up on Criminal Charges after he ordered the shooting deaths of peaceful unarmed Ukrainian's who were protesting Yanukoych's corrupt rule.

So Putin in typical Old Soviet Communist Boss style had the FSB supply a list of all Russian Speaking Crimean's with Military Experience to Russian Special Forces known as Spetsnaz....who then went into the Crimea and paid those on the list large amounts of American Money in the form of $100 Bills.

This is how the Crimean Separatists were created and even the Crimean's had called for the arrest of Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych as the Crimean's also knew that Viktor Yanukovych was a murderer and a thief.

So the creation of the Crimean Separatists by Putin the FSB and Spetsnaz gave Putin an excuse to ANNEX THE CRIMEA!!!

When this happened the United States, Canada, Europe and other U.S. Allies placed limited sanctions upon some of the 110 PUTIN BUDDIES who control every single large formerly privately owned Company in Russia which Putin had seized previously under the excuse that these companies were not paying their taxes and a few companies were behind in payment but not all of those that Putin seized.

Because of the seizing of all these formerly Privately Owned Russian Companies...Putin and his 110 Buddies have continued to STEAL ALL PROFITS FROM THESE NOW STATE OWNED COMPANIES and although Putin makes sure that all these companies pay their taxes....the Russian public has not seen one Ruble of Profit from these supposedly State Owned Companies which a great number of them are massive Russian Energy Companies.

As Putin and his 110 Buddies continue to steal all profits from these companies they have so far stolen over 35% of all Russian wealth which is the largest wealth disparity by population in HISTORY as just Putin and 110 other Russian's own over 35% of all Russian wealth.

The U.S., Canada, Europe, Japan and other U.S. Allies saw that the limited sanctions were not doing enough and Putin was close to annexing an entire swath of the Ukraine along the Northwest Black Sea Shoreline from Russia all the way to the Crimea which would give Putin a direct land access to this annexed region.

So the United States and Canada started producing oil in vast amounts thus flooding the worlds oil market.

Most people are unaware that North America is estimated to have approx. 6.1 TIMES the amount of Oil in the Middle East in the forms of liquid as well as Sand Tar and Shale Oil.

It has taken over 100 years for the U.S. and Canada to develop the Technology to quickly, easily and upon a massive scale produce Oil from Canadian Sand Tar and American Shale but we have gotten to this point now and both Canada and the U.S. will be 100% ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT by 2023.

So when Canada and the U.S. increased Oil Production and flooded the entire Global Market it hurt the Russian Economy.

Oil dropped from over $120 a Barrel to under $48 a Barrel and since the Russian Economy is highly dependent upon Exports and since over 80% of all Russian Exports are in the form of ENERGY EXPORTS the flooding of the worlds oil market created an ECONOMIC DISASTER IN RUSSIA!!!

The Ruble dropped so low in value that it caused PANIC BUYING as people right before the 2014 Russian Winter wanted to unload their dropping in value Rubles so people bough Oil and Propane and Canned Goods.

The Ruble became virtually valueless and the World Bank and IMF stepped in and designated the U.S. Treasury and U.S. Dollar as Russia's Emergency Currency and Exchange as no one was accepting Rubles as payment for anything!!

Putin at that time was worried and he stopped all plans to annex that swath of the Ukraine along the Northwestern shoreline of the Black Sea that would have by land connected Russia to the Crimea as Putin had annexed the Crimea.

Putin then told the Russian people that this Canadian/American Plan of over producing oil would not work and Putin put all his eggs in one basket....that basket being Putin believed that OPEC would vote to lower Oil Production to off set overproduction by the U.S. and Canada which if OPEC lowered oil production would cause Oil Prices to once again RISE and allow Russia to make a profit as at $48 a Barrel for Oil Russia is not really making a profit as it costs Russia a lot more to produce a barrel of Siberian Oil than it costs OPEC, the U.S. or Canada or anyone else to produce a barrel of Oil.

Putin watched on TV the OPEC Summit and was completely dejected and dismayed when Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC decided to keep Oil Production at their current levels.

Putin obviously did not understand that the United States is able to control the voting of OPEC.

Putin then threatened to either Limit or even SHUT OFF the flow of Russian Natural Gas to Europe which is something Putin should never have done as the United States and Canada had already guessed that Putin would do this and were ready as the U.S. and Canada had sent a large number of massive LNG....Liquid Natural Gas Ships to Europe along the Atlantic Coast and into the Mediterranean Sea.

These LNG Tankers would be able to supply Natural Gas to Europe in the winter of 2014 in the case that Putin shut off Russian Natural Gas pipeline flow and this surprised Putin as although it is more expensive for Europe to purchase American and Canadian LNG....it still showed that Europe could get through a winter without Russian Natural Gas.

By Putin making this threat cost Russia a lot as Europe has decided to diversify it's Natural Gas suppliers and in the long run this will cost Russia a lot in export profits.
As well the Russian Economy collapsed and when things started getting really bad for the average Russian Family and as Putin did not seem to care what happened to the Russian people the United States and Canada stopped Oil Production which lowered supply and increased the cost of a barrel of Oil which helped the Russian Economy a bit and stopped it's utter free fall.

Then of course as Putin has to keep the eye's of his own people off the fact the Russian Economy is in a DEPRESSION as it is 4% smaller than the Russian Economy was in 2014....Putin decided to get involved in Syria.

This is a NO WIN SCENARIO for Russia in Syria.

Putin should never have gotten involved as there is absolutely no benefit for the Russian people and if anything all this does is hurt Russia.

AboveAlpha

 

All this chest-thumping about how we could easily offset a shortage of natural gas from Russia to Europe with replacements from Canada and the U. S. is fanciful at best, and unfeasibly uneconomical at best. To do this, we'd have to pipeline the natural gas to Coos Bay, Oregon, and, assuming that there's enough storage on hand, and other infrastructure (which there presently is not), then it would have to be liquified and pumped onboard the tanker ships. Then, they'd have to be sailed halfway around the planet to be offloaded... where? Are there facilities that could handle all this natural gas in Europe? Where? And, how in the world could it even begin to compete economically with natural gas from Russia?

About two years ago, in 2013, the legitimate president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, decided to reject the EU's proposal for a trade pact and political associations (which had been prepared for years by the IMF, by the way). Instead, Ukraine decided to go with Russia in a different set of deals that actually would have been much more advantageous to Ukraine.

BUT, the IMF and the European Cenral Bank weren't about to sit still for that, so, they engineered a coup in Kiev which forced Yanukovych to flee for his life and get out of Ukraine. Then the "banksters" installed their own pro-EU guy, Poroshenko, as the Ukrainian president, and he set out immediately to consolidate his power by crushing all resistance to this bald-faced power grab which was strong in the ethnic-Russian parts of Eastern Ukraine. You know the rest.

Have I said that Putin is an angel? No. Do we need to concern ourselves with that, really? What we had BETTER concern ourselves with is the reality that Vladimir Putin, who has been named the most powerful leader in the world twice in a row the past two years by Forbes, is a master geopolitical chess player who has no equal anywhere in the world. He has already made a complete blithering idiot out of Barack Obama. None of the European heads-of-state have any idea of how to deal with him. Indeed, most Europeans would rather be resuming a mutually-beneficial relationship with Russia than having to fart around with a capricious, unreliable Obama regime anyway! And, pretty much the same thing goes for the Middle East, too! Nobody trusts Obama, and now, six years and nine months after this inept, empty-suit has been the President of the United States, they realize that he's more like a silly, irresponsible college teacher who's WAY out of his depth than the "Leader of the Free World"....

 

Thanks.. It makes perfect sense now.

 

LNG Tankers were sent to European Ports and yes of course this was only a stop gap emergency thing to do as it is much cheaper to buy Russian Natural Gas...but it did happen as no chance could be takenin the event that Putin shut off Europe's Natural Gas.

And it is not a big deal to convert LNG and pump it into existing Natural Gas Pipelines.

People can label Putin as the most powerful leader in the world but Putin is not leading the most powerful or influential nation in the world....that title belongs to the U.S.

The Russian Economy is TINY and is smaller than just the single U.S. State of California as California is estimated to have a $2.1 to $2.2 Trillion Economy in 2015 compared to the estimated $1.98 Trillion Russian Economy in 2015.

In all reality Putin is an annoying fly that buzzes around the head of the U.S. but make no mistake....the U.S. could swap that fly anytime it wanted to without ever firing a shot.

AboveAlpha

 

This is what happened.

The most important thing that happened was our being able to stop Putin from annexing that swath of the Ukraine from Russia to the Crimea as Putin wanted a direct land access to the Crimea.

Putin halted that plan when the U.S. and Canada flooded the Oil Market causing the collapse of the Ruble and Russian Economy.

Putin knew that the only way that the U.S. and Canada would stop overproduction of Oil was for Putin to withdraw Spetsnaz from that area.

He did...and we slowed Oil production.

AboveAlpha

 

sorry i dont buy it)) maydan was a revolution of the local middle class , it had nothing to do with gas, oil , etc., anyway Muscovy can not extract a %hitt from the black sea seabed without Western technologies ask Margot

 

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

I am talking about the fact that Putin created the crisis in the Crimea specifically because the Pro-Russian Ukrainian President had abandoned office and after this the Ukrainian Government had brought in Exxon-Mobile.

Exxon-Mobile having High Tech. American Slant Drilling would have been able to access the large Natural Gas deposits in the Crimea and Putin knew that with Exxon-Mobile's help the Ukraine could very quickly be prepared to undercut Russian Natural Gas Prices and use their own Natural Gas Pipeline to supply Europe and supplant Russia as Europe's #1 Supplier of Natural Gas.

This all ended when Spetsnaz were ordered by Putin into the Crimea to create a Russian speaking Crimean Insurgency.

AboveAlpha