7 October testimonies strike major blow to Israeli narrative

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes or no...... their playbook doesn't allow them to respond.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every Jew I know has stories of loved ones executed in the Holocaust. That's evidence enough for me.
     
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    The Middle East Monitor is a pro-palestine publication with low credible. Just thought you'd like to know...

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-monitor/
     
  4. Bob Newhart

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    No, the holocaust happenned. Millions of Jews as well as others were killed by the National Socialists.

    So, why do you two @yabberefugee and @flyboy56 support ethnic cleansing and apartheid?
     
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    If the naysayers want to doubt Palestine civilian death figures then it's only right to doubt Holocaust numbers. Fair is fair, nobody has a monopoly on truth in this affair.
     
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    Except for the fact that the numbers being reported in this conflict have not been verified. Apples and oranges.
     
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    If you doubt Palestine numbers then why complain when Jewish numbers are questioned?
     
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    Holocaust numbers are not verified either.
     
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    With much greater accuracy than with this conflict.
     
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    I don't doubt that those who support ethnic cleaning and apartheid consider those who oppose it to be biased. However, those evil Satan worshippers support ethnic cleansing and apartheid, so I don't care what they think.
     
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    Absolutely not lol
     
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    Who in the modern world supports apartheid in their right mind..
     
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    Jews Killed During the Holocaust by Country (thoughtco.com)

    Even sources who are close to the 6 million mark have to admit the number of deaths are an estimate. IMO, 3 million, 6million, or 9 million, it was clearly evil and wrong. However, it doesn't justify repeating it with another population which wasn't even involved.

    The Palestinian Ministry of Health has published the names and identification numbers of those who have been murdered and identified. They have not included those who they have difficulty in identifying like a baby with its head blown off. Nor have they included those buried under the rubble and likely also dead.
     
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    It seems there are several on this forum that trade in feelings. Even when provided with source material, you don't let facts get in the way of your emotions.
     
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    Your source is biased. Period. Do better next time.
     
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    And on that note I'm sure you agree that the Israelis have killed more civilians in Palestine in two weeks than Russia has in Ukraine in over a year. Yet USA supports Israelis and derides Russia. Clearly USA doesn't give a hoot for humanity and only cares about it's cashola
     
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    Honestly when I was in my teens, I supported Israel out of ignorance. Later in my life, it was very clear that Israel wasn't my friend but I was still ignorant. I didn't fully oppose Israel until recently when the recent events drove me to read more. Ilan Pappe's work helped and counteracted the historical fiction of "O Jerusalem".

    I really do hope that the support of Israel is driven from ignorance rather than a cruel desire to have a country be the dog we sic on other countries in the middle east. Unfortunately, this cynical viscousness is exactly how Biden views Israel. "If there were not an Israel, the US would have to invent a one to protect US interests in the region."



    It's not about the Holocaust, it's not about Jews, it's about power.
     
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    My source was perfectly fine.

    Your source was apartheid-loving, ethnic cleansing Satan-worshippers.

    Do better next time.
     
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    Hamas went on the offensive, thus the death toll over the last 2 weeks. Just as Russia did.
     
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    Wow that biden is an utter scumbag for that.

    It's funny, as a youth iwas a Palestinian supporter, bought the football t-shirt and all that but in my mature years I've seen that Israel is the solution, just not in its current guise as a white supremacist apartheid state.

    It's such a tragedy thus far, Israel was supposed to be a beacon for African sovereign statehood but at present it's been usurped by a white racist imposter
     
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    Israelis went on the offensive, thus 9000 civilians dead, much more than Russia did IN A YEAR.
     
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  22. Bob Newhart

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    The terrorist organization Israel has always been on the offensive since the late 1800s. Hamas fights back and wins one battle and Israeli claims that this is justification to bomb children and hospitals. Their sickly perverted morality goes so far as to claim the Palestinians bombed themselves.

    What's really sad is that the terrorist organization Israel gets people to agree and believe this as well.

    Despite having more inaccurate bombs and missiles and having used more of them. Russia has actually murdered fewer children in just less than 2 years than Israel has murdered in less than 2 weeks with the most accurate bombs and best technology available against a population which is defenseless against them.

    What Russia did is bad. What Israel has done and is doing is thousands of times worse.
     
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    I hope you are being sarcastic and not a self fulfilling prophecy. It isn't Israel who doesn't belong. It is Islam. Islam belongs where it began, in Saudi Arabia, and nowhere else. Instead they are colonizing the middle east and laying claim to what isn't theirs. They rely on the liberty or prey upon the allowance of their religion to be practiced here and there. But once intrenched, they forbid the same liberty to others to believe or practice otherwise. Then they dominate with violence. They have no foundation in truth, reason, or God, anywhere outside of their birth place of Saudi Arabia. So their demands regarding Israel are sheer hypocrisy. Israel belongs there. Islam does not. God is the Lord of hosts, not of his guests. Islam, first as guests, having overthrown their hosts, are then an enemy to God. Islam has no right to command even a beggar, much less nations.
     
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    And what about the spread of Christianity?

    Christianity got a massive history to make people convert by the sword. It was just flat out nasty and is spread the most around the world because of it. People in the US are all so full of joy about thanksgiving, with that turkey and such. What is not told, is why them pilgrims LEFT Europe! And during the inquisition, the Jews were running for their lives... into a far more tolerant Islamic world.

    That Islamic world of tolerance only came crashing down when the western colonial powers with the US, who was an apartheid state at the time, pushed through their plan that THEIR Jews get to colonize Palestine. The complaint from the Arab world about what about the right of self determination simply got met with a one finger salute. Them western countries than flat out massively gerrymandered Israel / Palestine to for the sake to get Jews the most land possible. And only THAN the Jews in other countries were getting the the intolerance, undoubtingly because they did not back up their own countries but the plans from the idea's of foreign colonial powers. A country like Algeria is one example where French Jews and French Aryans combined tried to subject the Arabs into 2nd class citizens through a war where they made Arabs do death marches and put in concentration camps.. 2 decades after the French Jews and French Aryans knew how disgusting it all was. And it still is hold against the Algerians that the French, Aryans and Jews alike, left to France to get a full pardon instead of paying retributions and spending time in jail over their war crimes.... and it's spinnend into that the Jews were the victim by pushing under the rug what they AND the Aryans did.

    And here you are, forgetting the Muslim world was where Christians and Jews lived with each other for centuries. Nothing of the like happened in the Christian world were non Christians got massacred.
     
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    Israel has ancient and a modern legal right to be there. The Islamic terrorists have no say in the matter.
     
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