70 years NATO birthday ...

Yeah ... "kill them all, god will sort them out" eh?

 

This is the longest period of relative peace in the history of civilization. Don't fix what ain't broken!

 

Thanks to wikileaks we know that the US spied on Germany and their other allies.
It's not Germany that distrusts the US. The US broke the trust and NATO.


And no wonder the US wants Assange.

 

True ...

And as I told now so many times: This damned 2% demand of Trump is an impudent issue, because the contractual obligation to invest 2% is from 2024 on ... NOT NOW IN 2019!!!

 

Who gives a damn about that 2%? Really?


The US has put up all cards on the table against Venezuela, hinting with going to war. They lied about Iraq, resulting to a pointless war in Iraq, deliberately destabilized it completely, and in that vacuum the US made it possible for IS to spawn. Europe applauds the US for doing that and leaving them with millions of refugees who need food and shelter. Who pays for that? Not the US! To even suggests to deport them straight back into the arms of ISIS to be executed is utterly insane, but happens.

The US is simply a massive burden being in NATO, starting trouble and costing money all over the place.

 

Aren't there alone in this forum not enough Americans and others who accuse the Europeans about and cheer Trump for it = beleive the bullcrap he tells?

Correct ... and indeed many Europeans agreed Bush Jr. once and followed him into this disaster of Iraq ... but not all! There were 2 NATO members who did not and who say directly it is wrong and the WMD fairy tale is a lie ... Germany and France!

The USA has one to learn and to accept: The Europeans are not their puppets and there is no obligation for them to follow the will of the US, ifagainst their own interest.
And that has nothing to do with ingratitude, because who demands a gratitude, should also behave accordingly and provide grounds for gratitude.
That's exactly what the US does not do! The Europeans have realized that the US sees them as more of a competitor, and as far as NATO is concerned, the US thinks that NATO is only a vicarious agent of US interests and nothing else!

What about US forces still in Europe?
The 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment (with Stryker), 2/3 of the 173rd Airborne Brigade, the Missile Defense units in Poland and Romania, 3 squadrons F-15 and 3 squadrons F-16 ... plus some special forces. That's it for combat units.
Everything else is support, logistics, staff, medical and air base personnel and security!
Small Belgium with 11 million inhabitants and the small Netherlands with 17 million have a far more powerful military force!

But even that does not matter ... because what is here about US forces in Europe, is not primarily because of NATO here, but for the global US interests, but also have nothing to do with NATO!

 

If Russia becomes so much of a problem to the world that it becomes necessary to eliminate them, then yes. Launch the nukes and be done with them.

 

US has already been a problem for the world for quite some time now. Should it be now destroyed with the nukes?

 

The US is only a problem for rogue regimes and enemies of democracy.

 

Are you joking? US has nothing to do with democracy.

 

The US is one of the leading democracies on the planet.

That's why the enemies of democracy hate the US so much.

 

Apparently, you've just arrived from UFO meeting. Who told you that? Your mass media or your bosses from White House?

 

I don't need anyone to tell me that. Simply paying attention to the world is enough to inform someone that the US is one of the world's leading democracies and that the enemies of democracy hate us.

 

And ... is Russia a problem and threat?

Well ... sorry to say ... but I don't see and rate Russia as this evil threat and being evil as it is told!
No ... I am not such a Pro-Russia person,and my critics on Putin are a Mile long as list .... but if you start with the things and cases that are about looking objectively and unbiased and let the pure facts speak, then it is clear that Russia only responds to provocations and impudence!

 

Really? And why did and does the US support such rogue states and regimes and enemies of democracy too ... if they have their nose very deep in the butt of Washington, eh?

Come on ... be objectively to your own country!

 

We did it in the Cold War because it was necessary to prevent Russia from taking over the world and destroying democracy.

We don't do it now.

Back when we did do it (during the Cold War), we did our best to curb the excesses of those rogue regimes and push them towards democracy.

Yes.

They try to destroy democracy around the world.

Perhaps if you classify "a democracy peacefully minding its own business" as a provocation.

 

So you call Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States ... for example ... to be good democratic states with a good legal system etc.?
You evaluate the Philippines as a model constitutional state, where a president boasts boasting to have murdered people and the drug addicts and their dealers declared as lawless people and where any polite is allowed to shoot one ... So prosecutor, judges and jury plays as in the Filming "the Purch" or "Judge Dredd"?
So you defend the military coup against the democratically elected government in Honduras in 2009, which was approved by the then US government and where, to this day under Trump, the US supports the regime?

Only to name some few examples...

Interesting... who sits in a flassy greenhouse should not throw stones on others outside .... as explained with examples above!

No ... Russia is a great power, even if many Americans do not like it and many, of course, consider Russia inferior ... but this nonsense is another issue.
I'm just saying what the US is doing in terms of rights and privileges, others have that right too ... at least Russia and China!

 

Our friendliness towards Saudi Arabia is based solely on the fact that western society needs their oil to run.

We did our best to push the Philippines towards democracy.

And we succeeded at least partially. They are far from an ideal democracy, but they are in fact a democracy. And if not for us, the Philippines would not be a democracy.

The US had nothing to do with that coup.

None of those cases are examples of the US acting against democracy.

Our friendliness towards Saudi Arabia is not the reason why they are not a democracy.

The Philippines is an example of the US supporting democracy.

We had nothing to do with Honduras.

Not even close.

And it would not justify their criminal actions even if it had actually been true.

Hardly nonsense. About the only thing that Russia is good at is abusing civilians and murdering dissidents.

There is no equivalence between "the US pushing the world towards democracy" and "Russia and China pushing the world away from democracy".

 

What you are talking is nonsense! US pushes the world to war, it interferes in many countries internal affairs. To call the country that bombed Belgrad and Yugoslavia in 1990s a democratic country can only an insane person. Luckily Russia has enough power to kick your asss if you try to put your nose in the internal matters of Russia.

 

Police officers interfere with the affairs of bank robbers.

That war had the potential to expand and draw in Turkey and Greece on opposing sides. We needed to make it stop as quickly as possible for the good of NATO.

On the other hand, it was wrong for the west to steal Kosovo from the Serbs. That certainly undermines the west's standing to complain about Russia stealing territory from Georgia and Ukraine.

Russia has very little power actually. Their soldiers are a danger to unarmed civilians certainly. But about all the Russian military is good for is committing atrocities against unarmed people.

 

NATO expansion is the reason we have a 2nd Cold War.

 

Second Cold War is a bit of an overstatement.

But these tensions have nothing whatsoever with NATO expansion.

These tensions are entirely due to Russia's unprovoked aggression against other countries.

NATO expansion just helps Europe to protect themselves from this unprovoked Russian aggression.

 

That’s not true at all. Gorbachev was assured by the Americans, and Europeans that NATO wouldn’t expand past the former east Germany, four years later Poland joined nato.

 

The assurance was that NATO would never station troops past East Germany. There was never any agreement about expansion.

NATO held to their agreement up to the point where Russia started invading countries without justification. Troops have only recently been stationed past East Germany.

 

That’s simply not the case.
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