9/11 - Hypothesis - Thermite Found In WTC Dust

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  1. Brother Jonathan

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    You haven't watched the video in the OP. Anyone who takes the time to watch the video can watch Professor Jones put those chips in a calorimeter and watch it expand as it releases its energy. That is showing his work. The fact that you refuse to watch the video is your problem not Steven Jones.
     
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    Yes science is all about the Youtube video :roflol:
     
  3. Brother Jonathan

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    If you would have watched the video you would have learned that even though BYU dismissed Jones they let him use the BYU lab. Jones had a lot of support for his research in the BYU lab it just was not allowed to be 'official' support.
     
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    If his research is so watertight why wont he allow anyone access to his samples?
     
  5. Brother Jonathan

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    I don't know that he is refusing access to his samples. Has anyone asked him? If so, what did Jones say?
     
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    Steven Jones has been pushing his theories since 2005, but he gives us only bits here and pieces there without any continuous transparency regarding his tests and methods. And nobody outside his camp has ever had access to his dust and metal samples in order to test or verify his claims.

    We can’t be completely sure that these samples are from the WTC, and there’s no way to accurately assess whether or not they might have been contaminated.

    The elements that Professor Jones reports finding have already been discovered by other WTC dust surveys, who for the most part don’t seem surprised by their presence. It seems likely that, in all cases, there are other WTC sources that can deliver far more of these elements than you would ever see from thermite/ thermate.

    There’s also no clear evidence that the suspect elements are available in proportions that match what you’d expect from a thermite/ thermate reaction. And some products you might imagine would be produced, aren’t reported at all.

    Proof of thermite/ thermate, then? No. Just assumptions, and avoidance of alternative explanations for the presence of these elements. That’s just fine when you’re telling an audience what they want to believe, but convincing the rest of the world is going to take considerably more evidence than is displayed here.
     
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    Professor Jones was threatened if he published his paper and then bribed to falsify his research. That much is clear from the OP video. He eventually lost his teaching position for refusing to give in to the thugs. Everyone knows that a main truth debunking tactic by cointelpro has been to ridicule and destroy the careers of anyone trying to get an honest investigation into the events surrounding the mass murder on 9/11. They have been relentless in attacking Steven Jones.

    If what you say is true, and count me skeptical, then the questions have to be asked, Why did the official investigation not examine the WTC dust? Why are they not letting independent researchers look into the dust at Fresh Kills Landfill?
     
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    Brigham Young Uni forced him into early retirement because of it. It truly shocked me to see how politics has seeped into everything in America: even academia.
     
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    According to him. Why has he not sued the University, if this is indeed true?
     
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    They did, and they are:
    http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/
     
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    This itself is untrue. In fact, it is not just untrue, it is demonstrably the opposite of the truth.

    Jones' paper directly addressed the NIST report and falsified it. In fact, it was quite simple how he did it. He merely pointed out that there was a perimeter of 47 core steel supports surrounding the building, and that any symmetrical collapse would require the simultaneous failure of all 47 at the precise same instant.

    Genius is often found in simplicity. Dishonesty is often found in complexity.

    Like the great, relativity-enlightened man once said, "If you can't explain something in simple terms, then you don't fully understand it."
     
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    BYU is a mormon run university....they have enough of an image problem without a whackadoodle like jones' braying.
     
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    Are you saying the university would simply admit it? Yes, I think you are, aren't you? If Jones has no proof then he can't do anything. As you well know.
     
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    Jones first presented his views on the collapse of the World Trade Center towers and World Trade Center 7 at a BYU seminar on September 22, 2005.

    He published his first paper on his hypothesis on November 24, 2005.

    Steven Jones has been pushing his theories since 2005. True.

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    In the video he claims to have letters from the University. If he does, why does he not sue them? Take it to court, or at the very least make the letters public.
     
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    Mainly on it's religious nature. What does this have to do with Steven Jones' credibility. If he has evidence of fraud, extortion and attempted bribery (as he claims) he should make that evidence public and/ or take them to court.
     
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    No, that is the opposite of what he did. He falsified the existing hypothesis (conspiracy theory) on November 24, 2005. That is the opposite of "pushing his theories", as you put it.

    He discredited the existing theory (deliberate lie).

    I have not seen the video so I do not know. Are you saying he claims to have direct proof? If so, please link the transcript for this claim.
     
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    Interesting choice of words...So Jones' paper FALSIFIED the NIST report....and you freely admitted it...
     
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    It has nothing to do with Jones' credibility. It has everything to do with BYU's credibility, or rather lack of it. Jones is a professor and an expert in physics. I will take his word about physics over the politically/religiously biased admin board of BYU thank you very much.

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    Correct. The NIST report was false. Jones' paper falsified it.
     
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    Nice backpedaling. You can't admit you where wrong on your timeline. Jones has been reeling in the suckers since 2005. Pushing his agenda, falsifying evidence (as you put it).

    It's in the video, watch it. (You don't want to break BJs heart by not watching his 'evidence')

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    He's not talking about Physics, he's talking about Chemistry. That's outside his realm of expertise. The question remains: why won't he share his samples for peer review confirmation? Answer: there's still money to be made hustling the ignorant.
     
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    Nothing in Jones' paper proved the NIST document false,so what Jones published was false
     
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    Jones falsifies a lot of things.
     
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    You would think that 'truthseekers' would demand more transparency from Steven Jones.
     
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    Strictly speaking,One could say jones violated BYU's honor code.....
     
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    Stop deliberately making up false arguments. I did not mention time. You did. I said Jones falsified the existing hypothesis, which is the opposite of what you said he did ("push his own theories").

    As I thought, you are lying. Jones does not claim to have direct proof. Please stop lying. It derails the conversation and frustrates the person you're talking to.
     

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