A Pretty Good Idea from Trump: Loans

I like this:




I had posted something similar on this forum a while ago in one of the many arguments about aid to Ukraine. I suggested we do a Lend Lease. What's the argument against doing loans to Ukraine (or Israel or any other country) as opposed to just giving them the money?

 

He is, again, trying to force Senators to do his bidding. Just like he did when killing the immigration bill. He is already acting like a king when he is not even elected yet.

Now, with respect to the sentiment of his tweet. How is Ukraine, for example, going to pay back US military assistance, when it is being bombed to rubble by Putin?

In any case, when talking about returning money owed, he could start with his own business, He could pay back the contractors that he stiffed and the investors who lost money in his bankruptcies. I know, I know, baby steps...

 

The essence of your comment is that you do not seem to believe that Ukraine will survive as a nation. Therefore they will never pay back the loans so...what? We should give them the money instead? I'm not sure I follow the logic there. If they are not going to survive as a country, why would we be giving them money in the first place?

 

Putin does not want Ukraine to survive as a nation. Nor does Trump.

 

Trump wants republican to block Israel aid, then he will later attack them for it and demand they give Israel aid if he wins

 

Who cares what Putin wants? Putin's wants don't play into this.

 

Your mango hero cares ONLY about what Putin wants. How are you not getting this, yet?

 

This is really sad.

A former President of the United States (who actually hope he’ll be taken seriously) posts the kind of idea that one would expect to come out of a fifth grader. After four years in office and another four in cofeve, the man still has no idea how international finance and foreign aid works.

But he can post this high school level stuff in the full knowledge that his supporters know even less.

He apparantly never heard of the World Bank, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements, or Agency for International development.

They have all been doing this since the end of WWII.

But low information bothers and low information Trump know nothing, so they come up with stuff like this.

 

They wouldn't have survived without foreign assistance. And, yes, they won't pay it back. The foreign aid to Ukraine is really more an investment into preventing Putin's dream of a greater Russia.

As to foreign aid in general: It's called aid because it is given on the basis of need. If it was a loan, the countries in question could just get that from private investors.

If we follow the same line of thinking, maybe next time a hurricane strikes Florida, the federal aid should really be a loan, to be paid back with interest. How does that sound?

 

I'm not getting what any of this Putin ranting has to do with the topic: loaning money lend-lease style as opposed to just giving it away.

 

OK that seems like a purposeful miss. Our recent legislative attempts at foreign aid have been about giving money to Ukraine and Israel, not loaning it. Explain why loaning them money is a bad idea, since you seem to feel it's a low information concept.

 

Trump has cared about what Putin wants ever since Russians became the primary financial support for his real estate empire.

 

It sounds like you think a foreign country is far more important than an American State is. That's interesting in it's own right.

I doubt that Ukraine could actually get loans on the international market but if you feel that they can, then maybe we should check out all together. I'm willing however, to provide lend-lease loans to a country to help defend itself, but I'm (as a taxpayer) just not willing to pay for it for them.

 

OK you are incapable of addressing the topic. I'm not sure why you are in this thread.

 

Are you really asking that question?

What Putin wants has a direct influence on international security since February 2021.

Because of him, millions of Ukrainian refugees have fled their country to Poland, Germany, France and Canada....

Because of him, Sweden and Finland joined NATO in a hurry.

Because of Putin, Germany has increased its defense budget by 50%.

 

So you care about Putin.

OK.

 

What happened to the days when Republicans actually cared about stopping evil from spreading throughout the world?

Ever since a black man got elected, those folks disappeared and we have today's Republicans in congress.

Sad.

 

Putin is the greatest threat to international security since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

Trump seems too, someone pulling his strings?

 

And that has what to do with this thread?

 

How was it “purposeful”? (This ought to be fun).

This is just another piece of Trump cofeve.

 

Trump is doing everything he can to get the US to drop Ukraine.

What Putin wants more than anything is to invade Ukraine and weaken NATO.

The money being sent to Ukraine is the best possible strategic deal.

With 5% of the military budget and without sending any boots on the ground, the US (and its allies) are bringing Russia to its knees.

It takes time, but it's working.

Trump is a friend of Putin. He admires him

His so-called America-first policy (which means nothing) conceals the objective of a rapprochement with one of the worst dictators on this planet.

 

It was purposeful because you clearly avoided the topic.

Now, explain why loaning Ukraine or Israel money is a bad idea, since you seem to feel it's a low information concept.

 

And if the money is loaned to Ukraine, it's still going to...Ukraine. Why do you oppose that?

 

Because this message is intended to appeal to the parochial isolationists in the far right.

Trump would certainly find something wrong with any loan package that might be proposed. Moscow’s interests must be served.