A Pretty Good Idea from Trump: Loans

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  1. Condor060

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    I hate to be the one who tells you this but Russia will take over Ukraine. This will be the biggest I told you so in US history.
    Russia already has air and sea superiority, 38% of Ukraine, and another 800K troops to invade. Ukraine doesn't have enough people to throw at this no matter how much money they are given.

    And I find it amazing how the left imagines Russia as a threat given the years it takes them to take such a small bordering country.

    So you think Ukraine could raise enough capital from private investors to fight Russia? Thats too funny.
    Not to mention private investors want an ROI, where the US is providing money without interest.
    Why would anyone be opposed to lending the money instead of giving it away to other countries.

    I wasn't aware Florida qualified for foreign aid.
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    So your argument against loans is...Trump would oppose the loans.


    Heh! Surely you can do better than that?
     
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    Because the United States government has never been in the business of holding paper on other nations. Nor are other nations.

    Money is either given (always with a pre negotiated quid pro quo), or lent through private banks and international financial institutions.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
    You mean the same Putin who hasn't been able to take a small bordering country like Ukraine in the last two years, that you think Ukraine will win?
    Its amazing how the leftist fence jumpers go back and fourth on how scary Putin is.
    But that comes from not knowing anything other than media hype.
     
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    Very simple.

    Trump knows full well that Ukraine will never be able to repay the money NATO members give it.

    So the next step is to stop sending money to Ukraine, claiming that the US doesn't lend to insolvent countries.

    MAGA logic 101.
     
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    I commend you for saying MAGA has any logic at all.
     
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    It is clear Trump knows nothing about foreign policy. I.e., how we helped Kuwait and others, the US was paid for its military services after the first Gulf War.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...hen-allies-helped-pay-middle-east-war-n203756
    chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.gao.gov/assets/nsiad-92-71.pdf

    Other forms are back channel issue, such as access to ports, resources etc. These issues are not special. !!!!!
    A little historical work can help !!!!
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This coming from a man that is known for not paying his debts and bankrupting his employees.

    How laughable

    We do not send aid for repayment, we do it because it hopefully betters the world and creates better relations.
     
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    What happened to the days when liberals weren't warmongers? The race card you played has always been there but this affinity for every foreign conflict imaginable is new.

    Given how utterly ignorant it is to throw money at countries that aren't our allies, it is obvious liberals are okay with the grift that is essentially the largest part of any foreign charity.

    Here we are, headed towards financial collapse with $34+ trillion in debt, and a line of sheep are whistling past the graveyard.

    As to the foreigners commenting here, you ought to make that disclosure as well. Of course you want America to continue to be stupid since you benefit.
     
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    Teh most successful war in US history. We actually made a profit on it.

    Unlike Junior’s slap dash rush in 2003.
     
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    There are a number of Russian trolls on this thread.
     
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    TRaitor tRump.
    YOU, made this thread about tRaitor tRump, so, yes they do! What Putin want's, Putin get's ...

    ... from tRaitor tRump.
     
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    Another outstanding contribution to this thread.

    And I thought the comment about other nations not holding foreign paper couldn't be topped.

    Who the **** do you think buys US treasury bonds? Ever heard of China? Japan? Germany? We send billions to countries for free and then those *******s use it to buy our paper.....and then we pay interest on it.

    https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt
     
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    Financial collapse? LMAO. You need to step away from the mango kool-aid.
     
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    Yet Putin is getting Ukraine under Bidens watch.
    Go figure
     
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    Because Putin controls Trump and Trump is doing everything he can to undermine the Ukranian cause and financial support

    Yet here you are, not only supporting your beloved’s position, but also trying to blame Biden for not stopping Putin and Trump..

    Such obvious hypocracy!
     
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    Is the aid to Ukraine purely financial?

    And, as one example, are the military shells provided to the Ukies not made in Arizona, etc.? So, is America not actually supporting it's local industries with much of this "aid"?

    It's a complicated and co-dependent "arrangement" but it's not one sided as I think is portrayed in the OP "tweet".
     
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    First off, you have no idea who I support or why so you can stop putting words in my mouth as its a sign of weakness.

    Second, Trump has nothing to do with monies sent to Ukraine. So its obvious you know very little on the subject. All you seem to know is leftist and media regurgitations.

    And last, I hate to be the one to educate you but Russia will take Ukraine which will be the biggest I told you so in US history. While posters like yourself have run around whining about the sky is falling and Putin is coming for you, the rest of US voters and the world knows Ukraine doesn't have enough people to fight off Russia no matter how much money you throw at it.

    They also know Putin is no threat to the US. Never was. It will take Russia years just to take a small bordering country like Ukraine and any threat against any NATO country would bury Russia in financial collapse as they are barely hanging on now.

    Too funny
     
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    That's totally false.

    We loaned the Brits money to fight World War II before we entered via the Lend-Lease program. If you don't know that, why would anyone think your opinion is valid on this, since it's based on totally false information?
     
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    Trump isn't in office and likely never will be again, so based your opinion on a totally hypothetical of what Trump may do...is crazy.

    Also, do you think Ukraine is insolvent?
     
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    But you didn't make any point.
     
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    Funding wars doesn't usually fall into that category. But we loaned money to the Brits and we forced them to pay up. Are you saying we were wrong to do that?
     
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    Well the thread is about Trump's idea, so there is that. But I'm concerned about the idea itself. Tell what you think of that.
     
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    Don't embarrass yourself by resorting to the broken windows fallacy to justify giving the money, rather than loaning the money. Even accepting your broken windows view of economics, isn't it better to loan the money, let them buy American with that money, then pay us back from the loan?

    Sounds like a big win/win for America, but you oppose it because...?
     
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    No interest and unlimited life, sounds like a gift.
     
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