A Pretty Good Idea from Trump: Loans

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lil Mike, Feb 11, 2024.

  1. Hey Now

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    OK, you your immediate pivot is to deflect to ridicule and ad homs, all this winning......clearly, you simply are afraid to tackle the questions asked. Last sentence of your post is that much needed strawman to hide behind.
    I'll dumb the questions down to one clear and keen observation = Trump's "selling" a micro solution to a macro problem.
     
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    Yeah, just ignore historical records. BTW, will Trump say the same to Israel too. !!!!

    Deals are always being made, this isn't an issue, but only to those who ignore the past.
     
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    The left seems to care more about Trump's personal life, then the state of the US Government. The fact is, we can't do this anymore and the loans idea is not only a good way to do it, it's better than the 'alternative' for the 'who we are' crowd, because I'm dead serious: I'd strip all of the funding period.

    To do that, in my first 100 days I would take the US Congress to court on the unconstitutionality of two bills, one in full and in part. The Sanctions bill, and the portion of the NDA that injected the congressional branch into executive branch decision making, both of which violate the US Constitution which strictly grants this power SOLELY to the executive branch(the obvious proof of that is that prior to Trump, one can't find another example of the legislature being even remotely interested in executive branch affairs)

    Further, it is up to the executive to 'execute' the laws, but by placing restrictions and limitations, the legislature is clearly taking an executive role, violating that constitutional premise as well(this argument won in both Biden/Obama border cases)

    Once the executive branch's power is restored, the branch can properly revisit these commitments and see if they are worth keeping or putting them into a museum.
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    I find it fascinating that you think the broken windows fallacy is a personal insult.

    Admittedly, I don't have a good reply to that!
     
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  5. Lil Mike

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    I'm familiar with the historical record on this idea, and yes the US has done it before to great success.
     
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    Foreign aid is about 1% of the federal budget. And, Israel has always been the largest recipient, before the Ukraine war, despite having only 7 million inhabitants. Changing that to loans won't make a big dent in the deficit.
     
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    Well if you did, you would already know, deals for security have always been made, i.e., Guantanamo Bay. !!!!

    Trump isn't onto anything new.
     
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    It seems he does not understand foreign aid is done out of US interests, not out of the interests of the recipient. There are always strings attached.
     
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    I find it even more fascinating that your ran so fast away from the pertinent questions you were afraid to face or answer. So, again, I'll leave you with this accurate observation, Trump's "solution" is micro for a macro problem. Now you can feel free to avoid the hard questions as this is my last thread bump ;).
     
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    It's the principal of the thing, that 1% is still billions with a B and interest. We went from a country of independence from Great Britain to sooner funding the military operations of another country. Do you think the framers would be happy with such a development?
     
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    Yet you opened a thread talking about a Trump idea....
     
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    I too like it. The idea of a loan and making some or all of it forgiven or repaid up to in full depending on their relationship with us on key matters is good. We should leverage our tax payer dollars to gain cooperation from other nations.
     
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    Only because of the ****’n looneyQ congress. With the proper help Ukraine could have won the war this year.
     
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    Putin is a threat. He’s not even close to being the greatest threat. That would be China at least as long as the CCP controls it and maybe after depending on what replaces it. It can do far more damage to us than Russia can. It has the economic might that the old Soviet Union and current Russia never had/have. China is our real enemy and our current policies have pushed Russia into their orbit making our defense in both Asia and Europe more challenging.
     
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    I think it’s tRaitor tRump running his mouth, sounding important and saying nothing.

    Lending money at no interest with no pay off schedule is only semantics from exactly what we’ve been doing.
     
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    No, the United States did not lend anyone money directly to fight WWII, and certainly not before the Lend Lease Bill.

    It would have been a violation of the Neutrality Act.

    What you’re saying is simply not true.
     
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    As of December Biden has provided over $75 billion to Ukraine.
    And thats just the US.
    But Ukraine losing is Congress fault?
    Hilarious

    What you never understood is this will be the biggest I told you so in US history.
    Ukraine doesn't have the bodies to throw at this no matter how much money provided.
    Which is why Russia simply wins by attrition.
    But those on the left with their Putin sky is falling chants ignored the reality of the situation.
    Now comes the inevitable results as forecasted.
     
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    If you think Guantanamo Bay has anything to do with this you are pretty far afield from the topic. I'm not claiming Lend-Lease is a brand new idea invented by Trump, merely that it seems to be a good idea.
     
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    Well if US interests were the point, you might have one.

    Clearly Ukraine doesn't, so I'm not clear why this urge to give money away when we could loan it.
     
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    None of the questions I've been asked in this thread have been "hard." If anything they've been childish and historically ignorant. So let me have it: What "pertinent questions" did you ask that I ran away from?
     
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    Right, because it's a good idea no matter who's President.
     
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    That
    Is
    Hilarious!

    I swear, you guys crack me up!
     
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    Yeah I don't think it should be no interest or no pay off schedule. In fact, I think the loan conditions should be similar to a student loan. Sounds fair right?
     
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    Weird, the Lend Lease Act was signed into law before we entered World War II.

    Keep trying though...I'm not sure what you are trying to do but you've been batting zero in this thread all day so keep it up.
     
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    Guantanamo Bay and Lend Lease are about 40 yrs apart !!!!
     
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