A question on the documents

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  1. fullmetaljack

    fullmetaljack Well-Known Member

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    Trump has refuted exactly zero in the documents case against him. When he gets on the stand and testifies, he will have his chance to refute the evidence against him. Until now, all he has done is publish unsupported-by-any-EVIDENCE personal opinions.

    Nice attempt at diversion. If you want to post about Biden , got start your own thread or post in one of the Biden threads.

    But I'll respond anyway since the answer is so easy: Who is the "we" to whom you refer ? What does Biden need to "come clean" about ? There are no Articles of Impeachment pending much less any indictment ( like the 91 felony counts for the Orange Stain).
     
  2. fullmetaljack

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    Answer the question.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    He has given testimony and evidence and documents are not bribes.

    When is Biden giing to refute the evidence against him and he and Hunter come clean? Why don't you care if our worst foreign adversaries are bribing them?
     
  4. fullmetaljack

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    Who was he going to sell those documents to ? Why don't you care that the ex-President made off with classified documents and didn't return them after being officially asked ?

    When is he going to come clean ?
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Prove you accusation @fullmetaljack
     
  6. fullmetaljack

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    Prove yours first.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure.... documented by multiple sources.... Obama and Biden and Hillary and the whole intel community knowingly participated in a failed coup and failed insurrection... and with the help of the DOJ to cover up the communication of your messiah Obama as he publicly lied to us about...
     
  8. fullmetaljack

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    Gee, what do I say to that ? Rightie fantasy, fiction and made up conspiracy theories.

    That about covers it.
     
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    Feel free to provide that evidence. You will be the first in existence to do so. But you should probably do so in a thread where that is the topic instead of using it as an excuse for intellectual dishonesty.
     
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    Some ideas that come to mind :
    They were his "trophies". Items he could use for show and brag about.
    Having them in his possession gave him a bargaining chip for his Trump style "negotiations". (very similar to how the mob operated)
    Keepsakes of being in POWER ....which he thrives on.
    Bragging items to influential people

    IOW: NO rational, logical , or professional reason to keep them. They were not his to keep anyhow. Because they were off limits he WANTED them even more. He has NO problem breaking rules. ( rules don't apply to him) Everything else is just Trump spin .
     
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    It is also about deflecting from Trump, who is the topic.

    Trump supporters have no valid rationale for Thump's "taking" those documents, keeping them carelessly in insecure places , and then refusing to return them when asked for. But as it was Trump that did it, it seems fine by them.
     
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    Your post has only accusation and no credible sources that you can use to back it up... when did Trump even suggest "Sharing them with foreign governments"

    Please show us these documents...please provide a link.... I have yet to see them, maybe you can provide a link. Thanks...

    ""$2 billion "loan""Can you also show us bank records and loan agreements that you are talking about here.... with credible sources...
     
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    You might want to actually read the OP.
     
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  14. StillBlue

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    The ones that gets me are the demands to show them the highly classified documents found at Mar a lago. If they weren't secrets that need to be protected there wouldn't be a court proceeding.
     
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    Yes.... the silly little game Smith will play will be the jury will not be allowed to see this "national security" document(s) that Trump had... they literally can not see the evidence Trump is being charged with, unheard of in our court system...

    And yes Trump did declassify the documents before he left office.... and yes Meadows did sign a memo stating that FACT...
    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...to-the-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation
    https://justthenews.com/sites/defau...Declassification of FBI Binder.01.20.2021.pdf

    Cannon's ruling has left the door open, for now, with the jury questionnaire..... Cannon has denied Trump the PRA argument, FOR NOW...For the "National security" documents and the "PRA" issue.... Smith claims classification has nothing to do with it...as this trial progresses and there is even a hint from Smith to bring the word "classification" into the argument, Cannon may well bring the PRA back into the discussion... when the indictment brings up "classified document" 58 times yet Smith argues it has nothing to do with "classified documents", then there may have to be a reassessment by Cannon.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0_12.pdf

    just some examples

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    That's because Cannon won't let the indictments come to trial. A lot of evidence has been made public but, until it's actually presented in court we can't know. TRaitor tRump "CLAIMS" to be innocent, yet he keeps using every delaying tactic his lawyers can dream up to postpone the trial. IF "I" were innocent I would WANT to get to trial and prove it. 8)
     
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    SAME... SAME with Biden after he and Obama left office.
     
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    Not the same ... at all.
     
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    I forgot you were still playing make believe that this has anything at all to do with Crossfire Hurricane so that you can create a fake declassification excuse.
     
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    Great... show us the documents Jack Smith has and we can decide.... keep posting about you don't know about the documents...
     
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    As you say "Jack Smith HAS" the documents. How would a civilian show them to you or anyone. Wouldn't the best thing for everyone; tRaitor tRump included, be to have the trial and get it out in the open so tRaitor tRump can PROVE his innocence.
     
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    ""PROVE his innocence""
    What communist country do you live in? Smith must prove his guilt... Trump is resumed innocent until then. Welcome to America..

    Show us the document or all you are doing is spreading misinformation and propaganda.... Trump declassified the documents and you can't show us any documents... whether Smith's document have anything to do about or not about Crossfire.. no documents have been released at all and each one could be "crossfire" documents for all we know...

    But there is one document that has been released you can not dispute...

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    True, so IF tRaitor tRump is innocent why not get into a court room and let Smith fail? In any case your original question is preposterous.
     
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    No. You just run away and hide and cry when I post what we DO know. We know that at least one of them was about military scenario in Iran, which has nothing to do with Crossfire Hurricane, and that the documents involved were still, by Trump's own admission, still classified. Try being intellectually honest and addressing that. I won't hold my breath.
     
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    @popscott , in bold why??!! Just why? :) :(
     
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