No kidding. Thats what I keep saying. The kabba was idol worship. Rock worship. Muslims today are still in the days of ignorance. If you as a muslim want to come out of that ignorance, then you need to throw that koran away and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. Anything less is just idol worship. Quantrill
Actually they did.. so did pagans. Arabia had several Nestorian Christian communities... It was always believed that Abraham and Ishmael built the first altar where the Kaaba stands and that mother Eve was burieed in Jeddah.
As I said before, there could have been Christians living in Mecca. But Christians don't go to Mecca to worship God. And they don't go to the kabbah to worship God. If they want to go somewhere to worship God it would be Jerusalem and Israel. Not Mecca or Arabia. Believed by islam who lies anyway. Quantrill
Sure they did.. Christians NEVER had to go to Jerusalem to Worship Mary. http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...f_Mary+mary+in+islam&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Mary (مريم Maryam in Arabic), the mother of Jesus, is considered one of the most righteous women in the Islamic tradition. She is mentioned more in the Qur'an than in the entire New Testament and is also the only woman mentioned by name in the Qur'an. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was born miraculously by the will of God without a father. His mother is regarded as a chaste and virtuous woman and is said to have been a virgin. The Qur'an states clearly that Jesus was the result of a virgin birth, but that neither Mary nor her son were divine. In the Qur'an, no other woman is given more attention than Mary and the Qur'an states that Mary was chosen above all women: "And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation." The nineteenth chapter of the Qur'an is named after her and is, to some extent, about her life. Of the Qur'an's 114 suras, she is among only eight people who have a chapter named after them. Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an, alongside Asiya, as an exemplar for all righteous women. Mary plays an important role in Islamic culture and religious tradition, and verses from the Qur'an relating to Mary are frequently inscribed on the mihrab of various mosques, including in the Hagia Sophia.
Christians never have to go anywhere to worship God and Christ. But if there is a particular place they would like to go to worship Him, it is Jeruslaem and Israel. Not Mecca or Arabia. So what. The koran tells lies about Christ, Abraham, Isaac, etc etc. Why should I care what it says about Mary? Quantrill
If it means nothing, then why go through all the trouble to put those statues there? Obviously there was meaning to them, or else they wouldn't of been there. You keep avoiding the question by repeating the same thing, like you always do. Can you even answer his question? Do you know?
Churches all over the world still have icons to the Virgin Mary. You are mistaken in thinking that Muslims worship the Kaaba.. The black stone is reputedly a stone used in the original altar built by Abraham and Ishmael.. According to the Islamic sources, Waraka was a Christian Ebionite priest living in Mecca, and one who had made detailed studies of the Gospels and the Old Testament scriptures. What lies does the Koran teach about Abraham? Can you be specific? The Bible lists the names of Abraham's other sons by Keturah. Keturah bore Abraham six sons, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah
atleast you don't hide your ignorance. I'm starting to think you are an Athiest simply trying to make Christians look bad. Especially after you called a whole bunch of Churches, and the Pope, wrong because they do not hate Islam.... And that you have very limited knowledge not only on Islam, but Christianity as well. You're argument is this: It's not the Bible, so it's wrong. The Bible doesn't say it, so it's wrong. This is similar what some Athiests say when arguing against the existance of God: I can't see Him, so He doesn't exist. There is no proof He exists, so He doesn't exist.
Quantrill: According to the Prophet: "Every child is touched by the devil as soon as he is born and this contact makes him cry. Excepted are Mary and her Son"
Open your ears. The early Chritians did not put the stautes of Mary or Christ there. Anyone who may have put them there was worshipping idols. If indeed they did. You could be lying. Where is the proof? Quantrill
The kabba was part ot the Arabs worship of rocks. The black stone was part of the Arabs worship of rocks. Muhammed just incoprorated this false worship into his new religion. Its all a lie. Islam is nothing more than the ancient worship of rocks. Thus they all go to Mecca to bow before the kabbah and kiss the rock. Have you kissed the rock? What truths does the koran teach about Abraham? Can you be specific? Quantrill
I don't recall saying a 'whole bunch of churches and Pope were wrong for not hating islam'. Where did I say that. I do hate islam. And I think all Christians should hate islam. But I don't recall saying that. So please show me where I did. Quantrill
There really isn't much to debate here. Islam traces its roots back to the same roots in Juddaism as Christianity does. That it has a different narrative is hardly shocking, it is not the same as Chrisitianity - its Islam. I very seriously doubt that anyone would convert to Iskam simply because of the legalistic documentation laying claim to the Abrahamic covenant, it simply ties Islam into the same family as Jews and Christians - which anyone interested already knows. A bigger picture, and shared by all three faith, is the reality of the 12 tribes of Isarel, their dpreading throughout the earth, and through them their ancestry (Babylon is reported to have taken ten of the 12 tribes right into the birth place of Islam - hardly shocking). Even more so? God created all man, and there is no shock that we seek a path to our Creator and loving father. Getting lost in the genology or trying to cliam the legitimacy of one blood tie over another is ultimately pointless. God made, and indeed loves, us all.
You are mistaken. The geneological line is all important. God made it important. The seed promises in the Bible trace the line from Adam to Seth to Noah to Abraham to Isaac. Isaac was a child of promise. Not a product of only a natural birth. His was miraculous due to Gods intervention. All believers of God are the same, children of promise. Gal.4:28 " Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. " Ishamael's decendants are not children of promise. Their line breaks away after Abraham. So, these things you call pointless, God has called highly important. And your generalzations of mans search for God and all are loved by God is what is false. Man has naturally turned away from God and God does not love everyone. Quantrill
actually, if you reproduced and your children and their children..etc etc etc.... then in reality, you would still be alive, in them and for well over 300yrs Think of how cell division works. Combine that with comprehending when you sleep, your consciousness is out like the light, but you are still alive; same difference! So to return that back to old theology a quote can be found to the effect; 'some of you will not taste death when the day comes'.... now think it through...... many of us right here, could be ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggrand children of them disciples. think about it, everyone of us had to have lineage from back then, no matter what. kind of weird aint it but true!
Yes, it is. Either that, or the life teachings and entire point of Jesus is wrong. I will not abandon my faith or its teachings simply to bash someone else's faith Quant. And if you reject the concept of grace in the Bible, then you might as well ask yourself what Jesus was doing and how you are one of his followers. No offense brother, but God's gift of grace applies to ALL humans, even the ones we detest. He created them too. He loves them too.
I have never been to Mecca.. but I have been to the Holy Lands with my Sunday School class three times. The Koran teaches that Abraham was a friend of God.. and since he was from Basra, he was probably an Arab. Most ancient bedouin tribes carried their gods around with them in boxes on litters.... even those who came to call themselves "Israel".. The rocks they carried around in their boxes were usually meteorites.
Your presenting 'grace' as if it is the sole subject of the Bible. And that that 'grace' allows anyone to seek God anyway they want and be acceptable to God. That is false. That is not the grace of God. I have not asked you to abondon faith in Christ. I do ask that you understand more about your faith in Christ. If you refuse to acknowledge that there is only one way to God, and that is Jesus Christ, then you are being unfaithful to your faith. And when you recognize that all other attempts at coming to God outside of Jesus Christ are just mans way to get around coming to God, then you will hate these false ways as I do. If you had love for your islamic brethren, then you would tell them about Jesus Christ and teach them to throw that koran away and go to the Word of God which is the Bible. Quantrill
