Your welcome. Yes, the Bible does say that. Gen. 18-21 " And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!....And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee:....But my covenant will I establilsh with Isaac...." There are no contridictions, only assumed contridictions. You will never know. The Christian knows now. Quantrill
The Nuzi Tablets help us to understand Genesis .... like the account in Genesis 16 where Sarah, Abrahams wife gave Hagar her servant to Abraham to have children through. Later Jacobs two wives, Rachel and Leah, did the same. Because of finds like the Nuzi Tablets, we now realize this was a common practice of that time and is mentioned in the laws and marriage contracts of that time. Remember Jacob also had sons by the two sisters of Leah and Rachel.
The Nuzi Tablets help you understand. They do nothing for me. Though Ishmael may not be considered a bastard, he is a child of the flesh. As opposed to the child of promise, Isaac. Just because Ishamael is born from Abraham, didn't make him the one in whom the Abrahamic covenant is established. Ishamael was a child of the flesh. Isaac, the child of promise. Quantrill
Abraham is the forefather of many tribes, including the Ishmaelites, Israelites, Midianites and Edomites. His wife Keturah bore Abraham six sons, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Where does it say that Isaac was not a son of the flesh?
Gal.4:22-24 " For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. " Most 'Christians' know this. I guess you wern't paying attention in your so called 'sunday school'. Quantrill
It's good to see you back Margot ???? Haha what? Nope. I don't see rejected anywhere in that verse. Or the entire Bible. God helped Ishmael and Hagar survive on their own. God blessed Ishmael. God intervened in the naming of Ishmael. But nowhere does it say God rejected Ishmael. Because he didn't. Yes, because you are an extremely ignorant. Do you believe the world is flat? If Ishmael was simply a child of flesh, why bless him? Why would God grow up with the child of the flesh as it says in the Bible? Con. Tra. Dic. Tions. Well in the end, both Isaac and Ishmael did get convenants. So I guess now God is a liar? Yeah. God promised to give Abraham a child from Sarah. That's the promise for Isaac. Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham, to have a baby before God's promise to her, so he was of the flesh. But kind of strange, God would consider Hagar, who Abraham married before giving birth to Ishmael, a slave woman still and not one of Abrahams wives. Then again, God also refers to Isaac as Abrahams only son. I guess not only is God a liar, but he made many mistakes as well?
The Bible says Ishamael is a child of the flesh. The Bible says Isaac was the recepient of the Abrahamic covennat. Ishamael was rejected. Ishmael did not receive the promises of the Abrahamic covenant. Which went to Isaac. From whom came Israel. From whom came Jesus Christ. See, muhammed is not of the children of promise. Islam is a fake. Quantrill
I went to the website, read it all and I'm still christian. You either have faith in the Bible or not.
Ishmael wasn't rejected. The Bible says it, when God blesses Ishmael and grows up with Ishmael after Abraham leaves them. God made Ishmael a Nation, like he did Isaac. From Ishmael came Islam. Maybe the man who wrote this part Bible knew it wasn't given to Isaac, and left it out so people such as yourself could use this to defend Christianity against whatever God promised Ishmael. That's all you have to say to this: Nice argument. You completely missed the point of this thread....
That's all you have to say to this You completely missed the point of this .... I pointed the information on the argument. It makes the thread practically moot Both are children of the monotheistic doctrine. Neither are better than the other and if you are aware of the global climate it is these 2 brothers (religious sects derived from these stories) as to what the global termoil is about. try expanding your horizens. If you want to reach the next level, you need to grow a little taller
Here is a better website http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol2/4d.html That clearly explain the consistency and accuracy that the Bible is truly the word of God and why the Quran got everything all wrong.
OK: then is the bible and 'god' lying about this? gen 3:22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' or just it just put your religious BS in the trash? Perhaps i could ask the others another question Matt 16: 20 Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ Did the bible lie? Or did Jesus mislead? let me know if your conscious starts bugging you.
You can 'maybe' till the cows come home. It doesn't change that God rejected Ishamael as the one who reicieved the promises of the Abrahamic covenant. Gen.17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! Gen.17:20-21 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee...But my covenant will I establish with Isaac.... To such a silly statement, there is nothing else to say. But Margot is muslim. Quantrill
Because they were wrong, if indeed statues of Mary are there. Statues of Mary are idolotry period. Quantrill
Quran says the same thing. They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Al-Masih the son of Maryam." But said Al-Masih: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah, Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. Quran 5.72
why Mecca at the Ka'aba of all places? why the Christians put idols there? what was the connection? it's a bit like Muslims going to St Peters in Rome to pray in front of an altar there wouldn't happen would it so why Christians were doing it in Mecca?
Quantrill why were early Christians worshipping in Mecca? why praying at the Ka'aba to Mary and Jesus? Maryam and Eissa. Then the Muslims threw out all the idols of the false Gods in Mecca. The prophet Mohammed cleared those statues all out and emptied it of idols. Doesn't it make you think?
Christians don't worhsip allah. They don't go to Mecca because God is not there. The Kabbah is just idol worship. Quantrill
As I said, Christians don't recognize allah as God. Christians don't go to Mecca to worship God. That doesn't mean there may not be some Christians in Mecca. But they don't recognize Mecca as a place to go to worship God. The kabba is nothing but idolotry. Rock worship. muhammed didn't get rid of it because it was profitiable to him. Allah is no god. Muslims are still in the days of ignorance. Quantrill
you did not answer the question you twisted what I said why did early Christians put statues of Mary and Jesus in the ka'aba at Mecca and pray there to them? They don't now because it was cleared but before the Prophet Mohammed they did worship Jesus and Mary there. Why there on that Ka'aba (altar)?
The Kaaba was a place of pilgrimage long before Islam... God does not live in the Kaaba.. Its the symbolic house of God... Ephesus, Turkey became an important place in early Christendom. A small stone structure called the “House of Mary” stands in Ephesus. Both Christians and Muslims, believe it is the place where Mary lived while in the city.
I didn't twist anything. Christians don't worship God at Mecca. That someone put statues of Jesus and Mary in Mecca means nothing. Early Christians did not. Quantrill
