Against Abortions mean you are Pro-Life

And you obviously think there should be consequences for a woman's choice to have sex.

The right thing, according to whom? Not only is your position at odds with a Supreme Court decision, the majority of Americans support Roe v. Wade. Many religious organizations and churches support reproductive choice. Actually, most of the world disagrees with you; most countries (other than totalitarian or religiously fundamentalist ones) don't have restrictive anti-abortion laws, because they value women's lives.

Is this your reasoning? Award winning scientists have no credibility on the abortion issue because they have been born?

How is that relevant to this issue? Do you believe an organism is the same as a person? Every cell has DNA; that doesn't make them human beings.

Again, you have to distort reality to make your case. ABORTION IS NEVER DONE FOR WHIMSICAL, ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS REASONS.

 

Patriot News, when you say people must 'face the consequences' does that mean that if someone who is jaywalking gets hit by a car should not receive medical treatment, as his injuries are a consequence of his poor judgement?

 

It is hard (impossible) to give an opinion to something which cannot think.

This is not really an argument, since if I was aborted, I would never think such thought. If I was able to think such thought, I could not be aborted. Its logically impossible for both those things to meet in the same universe.
Potential person vs. actual person.

Besides, such logic would also ban contraception or even refusing sex, since it would have exactly the same consequence.
I'll give you the option now, would you like for your parents to stop having unprotected intercourse which conceived you? No? That means we should ban contraception and refusing sex?

 

You already tripped on your feet on this one. You were owned, using your own words. You showed that you really do understand it is about choice, and this was a lame attempt at trying to cover your tracks.

too late

 

so why are you so obsessed with ensuring that others have to face the consequences of their actions?

you talk about ethics, but surely an ethical person is not someone who jusges the actions of others, but someone who tries to live the best life they can do?

an ethical person will show compassion towards others.

they will try to understand the situations that othersd may find themselves in, and not judge.

they will remember ... there but for the grace of God go I.

 

a good analogy.

 

Suggestions that it should be legal to Kill another person out of convenience is just as outlandish.

 

That it is, good thing we are only talking about abortion here.

 

If you consider the fetus to be an object, then it isn't a problem I suppose. Of course, at one time black people were considered objects as well.

 

Actually they were not, but do not let facts get in the way of dogma.

 

Pro-abortionist appear to believe that a fetus magically turns into a baby by cutting the umbilical cord. I have a hard time believing in magic. Maybe thats the problem.

 

People who advocate abortion being legal until cutting the umbilical cord are a tiny minority of pro-choice people. Most want the threshold to be external viability or appearance of sentience.

Its not magic, its simple development - embryo in the first trimester is very different from a baby in many relevant parameters that make us persons.
The fact that the development is more or less continuous cannot be used to imply there is no difference at all, that would be a logical fallacy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

 

How can a thing with no mind on its own be considered something other than "object"?

 

If it has measurable brain activity, how did you determine it has no mind of its own?

 

Fetus has no measurable brain activity until 20th week of fetal development:

http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/anand/

 

I am pro choice and very much so. An abortion is a form of birth control available to women. Just like a condom is to a male. If males wore condoms every time they had sex there would be a much smaller number of abortions. So teach the men how to put one on.
Abortion is legal and will stay legal so the anti abortion crowd needs to find a way to deal with it.
I can't call the anti abortion people pro life because most can find a reason to support killing innocents in war. They can also justify abortion in certain conditions and may well support the death penalty. I would hardly call that pro life.
So when you get all your ducks in a row and really support life post something worth while. Until that time get used to the idea that abortion is perfectly legal.

 

Even now, women are considered nothing more than incubators by some.

 

No, your problem is that you allow dogma to replace rational thinking and knowledge.

 

His comments prove it is you who abandon logic and rational thought in favor of magic.

 

Just more emotional hyperbole and hysteria. The truth is that abortion is a premeditated homicide, and some just can't handle the truth, so they cling to nonsense like this.

 

Ah, so now you believe that science is magic. That is of no surprise considering the knowledge you have so far demonstrated.

 

Well of course you are wrong AGAIN, they were clearly considered property.

 

No, that is just another of your lies. You may consider it as such but claiming it to be is a lie as you have been shown several times already.
Why not attempt arguments based on truth for a change?

 

So a dog is not an object? A dog has brain activity.

 

Oh you did not understand that post either. Let me help you. The issue was whether slaves were objects or people. The aspect of property was not part of the discussion.