Against Abortions mean you are Pro-Life

Abortions are a murder and must be prohibited!

 

To Cady: My sources are better than yours.

To thebrucebeat: Here is another:

Planned Parenthood of Indiana Admits to Undercover Callers That Women Don’t Need Them
by John Hayward
06/29/2011

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44536

 

Then I will simplify it.

If I don't care if people partake in X, does that mean that I am X?

I think not.

The OP's argument doesn't make sense.

 

Hayward quotes the story of the pimp with the underage hookers which was shown to be a way for the PP representative to get information to turn the guy in. He conveniently leaves out that part of the story.

You've done it again. Hayward is an unethical hack. (By the way, in case you didn't know, Hayward was the author of your right wing agenda infused misinformation piece.)

I feel for you. You are being led by the nose.

 

But that wouldn't be accurate, though, would it?
These people aren't advocating for all fetuses to be aborted, which is what a "pro-death" stand would require. They are advocating for a woman to have the choice of terminating her pregnancy. Noone would be forced to.

Can't you see the difference, and how what you are saying is simply a logical error? You want to force everyone to see it your way. They want women to be able to see it their way, whichever way that is.

Your position IS anti-choice. Theirs is not pro-death.

 

Your posts indicate you are simply "anti-woman."

3% refers to the percent of services offered, not money spent.

One woman was jailed just for thinking about an abortion. Pro-life zealotry knows no bounds:
http://news.change.org/stories/pregnant-iowa-woman-arrested-for-falling-down

Just for perspective, that is all based on your personal belief, not fact. Anti-woman: the belief that a woman attempting to control her own body deserves to die.

Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility. Why do you think it's responsible to bring a child into world when one is unable to care for it?

So the woman ALONE made a mistake? Did she do something wrong that SHE should "have to pay for?" You misogynists give yourselves away every time.

 

Well said...........................

 

Thats your subjective opinion. Many dont agree with it.

 

Yes, that is what it means. If you are not against X, then you are pro-X. Even if you do not partake in X.

No, you are totally misrepresenting the "pro-death to in utero children" stand. In fact, they actually favor a aborting a higher percentage of minority children than white children, to keep the race pure, but not all fetuses.

There is no error in logic, just your error in begging the question.

Not at all. I am pro-woman. Half of the children aborted would have grown up to be women. I am against the extreme long term psychological, emotional, and physical damage done to women in all abortion proceedings.

What ever services they offer, they should not be receiving government fund for performing abortions.

She was arrested, spent 2 days in jail, and the charges were dropped. I guess a woman's right to privacy between her and her physician goes out the window when you threaten to kill your unborn child. Why? Because Roe vs. Wade was wrongfully decided, there is not a right to privacy between a doctor and a patient when it come to determining the fate of a third life.

Yes, we all come from our own personal perspectives, that alone does not make me incorrect. Apparently these women trying to control their own bodies have already demonstrated an inability to control their own bodies by becoming pregnant. I never said they deserve to die, just that they need to take responsibility for their actions.

Getting an abortion is avoiding responsibility in a very irresponsible way. You are killing the life you created, instead of taking care of it. If you are unable to care for it, then you need to give it up for adoption, there are hundreds of thousand of people who want to adopt.

The man does not run the risk of getting pregnant. So yes, ultimately, it is her alone that has made the mistake of having sex without ensuring that she has used some form of birth control prior to sexual intercourse. If she knows where Planned Parenthood is after she got pregnant, why did she not use those 30% of their services they provide for contraception prior to becoming pregnant?

Truthfully, that 30+% of "contraceptive services" includes abortion services, everyone knows that.

Calling me a misogynist does not make it so. If anything, pro-lifers are more pro-women than pro-abortionists, because half of the victims of abortion are female, and all of the 100% of the mothers are also victims of the abortionists. They will have to live with the regret of killing their own unborn child for the rest of their lives. Here are some of those types of stories:

http://www.gargaro.com/regrets.html

 

Where have the pro-choice people stated that?
I am pro-choice, and I have never even THOUGHT that, or known anyone who did.
You have not refuted your logical error. Pro-choice is not pro-death. Pro-life is anti-choice. Can you dissemble that logic? It's simple and very straight forward, and makes the "pro-death" argument agregious and childlike.
Make a real, grown-up argument, not an emotional knee-jerk.

And thanks for the rep.

 

Half of the fetuses aborted would have grown up to be women enslaved to their own reproductive systems if you had your way.

There is no reason to believe they are.

If you have to distort the story to make a point, then you don't have one. She only mentioned that she had considered an abortion, earlier in the pregnancy, she didn't "threaten to kill her unborn child." Arrested and two days in jail--no biggie, right? More proof that you have zero regard for the rights of women.

Whether you or the doctor agree with Roe v. Wade or not, it is the law of the land, and not only do women have a right to abortion, they have a right to mention previously considering it without being arrested.

It is incorrect to force your personal perspectives on others.

And by having sex, they "deserve to get what happens to them"?

You never said, "If women get dangerous illegal abortions or injure themselves trying to abort themselves then they deserve to get what happens to them"?

That's a convenient point of view for those who want to punish or control women. It isn't based on fact, or even biblical teachings. A woman is not an incubator for the convenience of others who can't conceive.

So the entire burden of birth control, pregnancy, and childbirth falls only on the woman? The man has zero responsibilities?

In half of unwanted pregnancies, contraception was used, however, Republicans are not making it any easier for women to have access to affordable contraception. In Mississippi, there is only one Planned Parenthood in the entire state.

Not everyone believes the zealous pro-lifer propaganda.

Right, but your own words make it so.

More propaganda. Most women women feel relief after abortion.

 

Her name is Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood:

Pro-life is a appropriate discription of the position of saving the life of an unborn child.
Pro-choice is a misnomer in that it implies an option between two choices. However, this is a misdirection of the argument, which is, should there or should there not be an option. The true designation for a "pro-choice" argument is more apropos to be that of "pro-abortion."

 

My point exactly. You seem to have a callous disregard for human life. You also have little faith in a woman's ability to chose responsibly when it come to her ability to control her reproductive system. Having sex is a choice. That is where the real choice is to be made. To have sex, or to not have sex. It is an odd analogy to compare ones reproductive system to a form of slavery.

That is not true. There is every reason to believe they are.

I'm not distorting the story, nor am I agreeing with the actions or assumptions of the medical staff, but that is what happened. It would be interesting to find out if the woman, now that her child has been taken to full term I assume, if the woman now wishes her child to be dead.

And that is the problem. The Supreme Court should not be in the business of making laws. That is the perview of the legislative branch.

It is more incorrect to kill an innocent life.

By having sex they run the risk of getting pregnant. That is how babies are made.

No, I did say that. "they deserve to get what happens to them" ≠ "they deserve to die."

I never said I want to "punish or control women." I never said a woman should be "an incubator for the convenience of others." What I am saying is that no child is an "unwanted" child. Something pro-abortionists love to say which is not true.

The man should also be responsible for birth control. He should also be financially responsible should a child result from his sexual encounters. The woman is entirely responsible for the burden of childbirth, as a man cannot become pregnant.

Don't you mean "unplanned" pregnancies? There is that "unwanted" term I was just talking about. A lot of those contraception was used arguments it was used incorrectly. As for Mississippi, Planned Parenthood is not the only abortion provider in the state, I am willing to bet.

Not everyone believes the zealous pro-abortion Planned Parenthood either.

And I could argue that your own words in this very post make you the mesogynist. You have shown callous disregard for the innocent lives of unborn women and men, and the mothers who are victims of the abortionists.

I would be willing to bet that more often than not, women suffer life long psychological trauma, emotional dispare, mental anguish, both temporary and permanent physical harm, and sometimes death as a result of legal abortions in this country. Generations from now, people will look back upon this policy of abortion on demand as a blackened mark on our history, a genecide, a holocaust of unborn in America.

 

I agree. I am totally anti-rape in principle, but I oppose any laws that make it illegal to rape. After all, just because it is not MY choice does not mean it should not be someone else's, right?

Finally, someone who understands.

 

Well said, very well said.

 

So it does come down to your misogyny, women who choose wrong by your standards must be punished. You are clearly indicating that women can not make responsible choices.

No, that is just you conspiracy theory.

And it is not. Just goes to show you how much you understand the issue.

No, it is more correct to let people make their own choices instead of relying on emotional hype and religious dogma.

Yea, so?

Nice back pedaling.

Everything in your post says so.

Why not educate yourself instead of making loosing bets?

Not likely, as abortion has been around far longer that your dogma.

 

You should understand that making stupid remarks and outlandish suggestions does not contribute to intelligent debate.

 

what if you are only for abortion under certain circumstances?

 

Sticks and stones. Boo hoo. Like I said, not saying punish women. Men as well as women face consequences for poor decisions. As for you last statement, I am saying quite the opposite. Women can be responsible and do the right thing.

I think that congress is looking into their co-mingling of funds.

Why then is it called Roe vs. Wade instead of the Abortion Legalization Act of 1973?

I'm okay with that. Can we give the fetus a choice?

Not back peddling. I really didn't say "they deserve to die". I do stand by what I said actually.

Quote me then.

I am educated. My beliefs have nothing to do with dogma. It has to do with science and ethics.

 

Since having sex isn't a crime, why must women face "consequences" for it?

The "right thing" according YOUR values?

This isn't the first time Planned Parenthood has been harassed.

You well know you wouldn't give a fetus a choice either.

I am educated. My beliefs have nothing to do with dogma. It has to do with science and ethics.[/QUOTE]

But many brilliant scientists would and do disagree with you...

 

It is easy to be personally against abortion and wanting to give all women the right to choose. That person would not have an abortion nor would they want a partner to have one. But supporting choice for others is fine these opinions can coexist.

 

The OP has no idea what he or she is talking about.

I'm anti-abortion. I'm against outlawing it though. That won't help and they'll just go back to back alley abortions. The exception being late term. If the baby is at all viable I'm completely against it.

This doesn't mean anything. It makes sense. It's logical. You CAN be pro-life and not want too many anti-choice laws. It's insane to say otherwise.

 

WAKE UP!
It's the 21st century and noone is trying to purify the race.

You are saying the argument is about should there be a choice or not. I agree. That is why the appropriate term for the two positions is pro-choice or anti-choice. You have made that case perfectly with this post of yours. Read your very own red words above.

You guys make this so dang easy.

Well done.

 

Well said, ModerateG.

 

As I said, male or female, we all face consequences for choices we make, legal or otherwise.

The right thing ethically.

It is hard to give a voice to someone who cannot speak. I'll give you the option now, would you like to be aborted in utero? See my Ronald Reagan quote below.

And they will all have been born already too. You will not find any that will say that a fetus is not a living organism. You will not find any who will disagree with the statement that all human fetuses have unique DNA.

It is easy to believe that isn't it? What is really hard is to stand on principle and say, hey, this is wrong. Not just morally, but ethically. It is wrong for other people to kill a human life for whimsical, arbitrary or capricious reasons.

If you are against outlawing it, that makes you pro-abortion. You can't have it both ways. You are the reason behind this thread. People like to obfuscate, "I'm personally against it, but I don't want to impose my beliefs"...(see Ann Coulter quote in my sig).

You do need to wake up. A disproportionate number of abortions are still done in inner city areas of African American and other minorities.

The argument is not whether or not there should be a choice, but whether or not killing fetuses should be optional. Abortion vs life is the argument, not to choose or not to choose. Pro-lifers believe there is only one choice, life. Pro-abortionist believe in a right to abort, they are not fighting for a right to not abort. So really, they are not fighting for a right to choose, but a right to abort only. Thus they are more appropriately called pro-abortionists.