"Ahmadinejad: Iran is determined to eradicate Zionism"

I read this comment with interest. And megadeath's response.

It appears you indeed are trying to stifle discussion with silly parochial rhetoric.

 

Britain was given the aid it needed to survive, above and underneath "the table" by the USA, including the gigantic Lend-Lease program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

In fact, Roosevelt and Churchill had been trying every way possible to drag America, kicking and screaming, into your European war, but after the thoroughly awful experience we had had messing around in your affairs in World War I, and with all the problems we were having with our own Great Depression, we didn't want any involvement in your tiff with Herr Hitler.

The Nazi had kicked your butts out of France, and Norway. They were sinking so many of your ships that you faced starvation, and then they started their bombing campaign. Lucky for you that their stupid, dope-addict "Air Marshal" Goering forced the Luftwaffe to stop bombing British military targets and start bombing the general population, which was a waste of bombs and time. Official estimates are that Britain would have had to have surrendered in about another two weeks, even with the help we were giving them. After that, your brave British fighter pilots defeated the Luftwaffe in the skies over England, and then combined English and American forces started bombing the hell out of Germany....

On to Japan.... There were "peace-feelers", some genuine, some bogus, all during the war. Often such tactics are useful in gauging an enemy's determination to continue fighting, no matter what! The only important, significant, binding offer of peace would have come the Emperor of Japan himself and/or the Imperial Supreme War Command. Anyone can "blow in your ear", but not everyone intends marriage....

Again, I put the question before you: why didn't the Emperor of Japan or an empowered representative of the Japanese Imperial Supreme War Command sue for peace after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima? The Japanese had plenty of time to do this before the second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki....

Please understand: we had suffered devastatingly high casualties estimated to be greater than 35,000 simply taking the single, relatively insignificant Japanese home-island of Okinawa. A full-scale invasion of the main islands of Japan would have been much harder, and involved many more American and Japanese dead and wounded.

I sincerely hope that we Americans learned something from the WWII experience -- namely, it is a far better thing to destroy your enemy from the air than getting many thousands of your own troops killed by farting around on the ground. If Amadinejad will have it no other way, we can take Iran apart like a Christmas goose, using nothing but air power!

 

When someone gets under your skin it is a mistake to let him see your annoyance and irritation. It is also a mistake to presume the intentions of another. You and I are going to have fun together.

 

Why am I reminded of Sancho Panza and Don Quixote?

 

Why?

No it isnt, unless you have no clue, which you dont. Either way, if you really believe this, you would say 'oh I dont know if Iran is going to attack or not going to attack, so I better just not do anything'. But you dont say this, you have already amde your predictions. Dont be so hypocritical.
In this case, the prediction is called political analysis. For some of us, like me, we have enough knowledge to understand the motives, and reactions of each sides. For others, like you, you dont have the knowledge or understanding and hence simply follow the flock and deny all other conclusions simply because you cannot confront them or show how they are flawed.

Already have. I love picking the wings off flies

 

I don't recall many (if any) threads where Albert focuses much on things like topics, issues, facts etc...
This thread is pretty typical. Watch. He'll now post lots of stuff without ever getting close to the actual topic and instead just try to start some petty bs with you - because you made the mistake of replying to one of his posts.

The rememdy for this is rather obvious...

Edit: Okay, if I had scrolled the rest of the way down, I guess I could have skipped this! Proof is in the pudding, eh?

 

Lo-T is nothing to be ashamed of.

Be nice to me because I'm the only real friend you have on this forum. No one else bothers with Ozzie teenagers.

 

Did somebody rub you the wrong way?

 

Hi Albert! How are you?

 

Pretty good for a clinger.

 

Wasn't that the transvestite in M*A*S*H?

 

His name was Klinger. You have a good memory.

Clinger is the term used by the False Messiah to describe a certain type of atavistic person who he see as a reactionary.

 

What's Lo-T?

According to my list I have 29.

LOL You suck so hard at debating you resort to jokes that are so crap they dont even make sense! HAHA LOL You only have 8 friends! BAHAHAHA! Epic fail!

 

I'm your only real friend. Only I am willing to put up with you...and it makes you mad. My dear boy, hang your head high.

 

Great Britain was given nothing by the USA. Lend-Lease was exactly that, and we finished paying off every penny only a couple of years ago.

That was obviously so, from they way you sat on your hands watching, while thousands of British civilians - men, women, and children - died in the Blitz.

The RAF was bombing German targets long before the Americans appeared. The first bombing raid on Berlin occurred in August, 1940. And may I say that the Americans (if not their leaders) were no less brave, as US Navy units helped escort convoys across the Atlantic at great risk from Unterseebooten, and 11 (I think) American citizens flew (as Canadians) in the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Their numbers may have been insignificant, but their courage (two lost their lives) and morals were outstanding - especially as the US government threatened anyone who did so with loss of US citizenship.

These were offers of conditional surrender, on the same terms as the eventual surrender - are you saying people such as MacArthur and Admiral Leahy were making these things up? For what reason? Do you not think these should at least have been investigated seriously before hundreds of thousands more died on both sides?

Makes sense to me, as long as you can comply with the provisions of the Geneva Conventions to which you are signatories. In particular, those conventions which state that you may not attack predominantly civilian population centres (as was done in WW2).

As to attacking and taking apart Iran, the USA would not have a scintilla of legal or moral justification for so doing.

 

No, you're missing the point. Academics and Historians are second guessing a decision made in the midst of all out war that had been raging around the globle for years.

AS for saving lives, it sure as hell did. It saved tens of thousands of allied and civilian lives. The second bomb put the exclamation point on the demand for "unconditional surrender or death". Hirohito had no choice but to cave and dropped all conditions except the condition that his ass be saved.

As to the debate about it being essential, THAT is academic. It brought the war to an end and the bonus was it demonstrated to the entire world that an "all out war" like WW2 in the future, would guarantee the destruction of everyone. Everyone got the message.

 

No, there was no offer of unconditional surrender ever put forth by the Japanese. It was the Allies that insisted that any surrender had to be unconditional. Japan was jerking around with all kinds of conditions.

After two A bombs and Russia invading Manchuria, Hirohito finally capitulated, but ONLY if he (the emperor) remained in place. Because "face" was so important and McArthur and the gang knew this, they okayed it.

 

You've offered nothing in support of your assertions. I've presented a cogent argument supported by evidence which points to the fact that the nuclear attacks on Japan were unecessary. You've failed to address that.

 

Do me the courtesy of reading what I write, before shooting from the hip, would you? I made no mention of unconditional surrender - all the Japanese offers were of surrender under conditions identical (apart from the occupation) to those eventually granted.

 

Sorry mate, you aint my friend and I suspect your other 8 are just there out of pity.

LOL Again with your lame ad hominem. Looks like I won the debate here, again.

 

Actually you successfully hijacked the thread and are arguing crap that has nothing to do with the topic so neither of you won jack(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

He's a mouthpiece. A figurehead and most of all, a diversion. The mullahs & imams run everything. Persians know this but again, unless you've traveled a lot or have serious ties with Iran or Persians, it's not like common knowledge here in the states.

 

What have you won? Tell us?

 

Do I get the consolation prize?

 

Indeed you do. Here's a rep for you.