"Ahmadinejad: Iran is determined to eradicate Zionism"

Where did I do that? No I responded with ad hominem with ad hominem, unless you can show where I started the exchange.

If you like you could try and address my points, but so you have failed to even try.

 

The debate. Cant you read?

 

Here are my points again, still waiting to be challenged by ANYONE let alone refuted.

1. Iran has a right to a nuke as long as Israel does.
2. Iran wants nukes for self defence, as almost every military analyst has confirmed. They speak of eradicating Israel as a means of rallying support in the region - and its working btw
3. Even if you are still worried about Iran sparking conflict, dont be because the Iranian totalitarian regime does not have long before it is toppled by popular demand.
4. If you are worried about Israel being destroyed because of its crimes against the Palestinians, well the only way to cool your fear in this regard is to get Israel to stop. But since Israel clearly does not want peace or an to its expansion, this is highly unlikely.

 

That's it? No trip to Hawaii?

 

He's so entwined by my loveliness wants to take me there.

 

19 and in Australia - shouldn't you be hitting the waves instead of hanging with the old folk?

 

Can't I do both?

 

If you can, you must be a pretty good surfer!

 

hellz yeah

 

Why is this thread going on?

It seems Albert has no interest in its continuance. And the rest of you are letting this nonsense continue.

 

Have a cuppa and enjoy the new day.

We are.

 

Cant you save your nonsense for another thread?

I was hoping to hear some more interesting points re Ahadinijad and iran. Is that a bit too much to ask from you guys?

 

You obviously aren't a morning person.

What new points could you possibly be expecting?

What is ever new?

 

We did give Britain a lot old, surplus WWI stuff, but I won't quibble about Lend-Lease. For the word "given", substitute the word "provide".

It took Britain 61 years to pay us back, but even this tardy payback is commendable, given that nearly every other country takes our aid and spits in our face, or, has a "regime-change" which conveniently gets amnesia about any money owed the United States....

The war was to be ended upon acceptance of unconditional surrender, and, as I said, neither the Emperor of Japan nor the Japanese Imperial Supreme War Command sued for peace in compliance with the terms of unconditional surrender....

Finally, after two atomic bombs were dropped on what was still the very belligerent Empire of Japan, the offer of unconditional surrender was made, no doubt saving many hundreds of thousands of American and Japanese lives. The rumor mill (always denied) had it that Bomb Number 3 would have been more destructive than "Fat Man", and it would have targeted Tokyo... think about that....

As far as Iran goes, anywhere an enemy has military installations, or facilities for making war materiel is fair game. If Amadinejad has distributed these all over Iranian population centers, intermingling them with civilian structures, then he's created quite a problem for Iran, hasn't he...? But I doubt that matters much to a delusional Islamo-crackpot who dreams of The End of the World, courtesy of the much-anticipated 12th Imam "Mahdi", complete with Blue Turban....

In plain talk, if you see a coyote threatening your chickenhouse, do you have to wait to find dead chickens before you shoot the son-of-a-b***h?

 

No. Young men with Lo-T should just hang out with old men and pass the time.

 

But since I dont have Lo-T, looks like I can do both. Sad for you old blokes who cant. But then again, age is all in the mind imho.

 

I admire your nonchalance. Most young men like you would attempt to hide their disability. Good on you sport.

 

Here are my points again, still waiting to be challenged by ANYONE let alone refuted.

1. Iran has a right to a nuke as long as Israel does.

2. Iran wants nukes for self defence, as almost every military analyst has confirmed. They speak of eradicating Israel as a means of rallying support in the region - and its working btw

3. Even if you are still worried about Iran sparking conflict, dont be because the Iranian totalitarian regime does not have long before it is toppled by popular demand.

4. If you are worried about Israel being destroyed because of its crimes against the Palestinians, well the only way to cool your fear in this regard is to get Israel to stop. But since Israel clearly does not want peace or an to its expansion, this is highly unlikely.

 

How do you know its nonchalance? LOL You must be ancient - 'good on you sport'? haha ok gramps.

 

How do you know that and how can I be sure you're right?

 

Typical bravado designed to mask the sorrow of affliction. God bless you boy. Keep the faith.

 

I think you are guessing. If you can prove that Iran's theocracy will soon be toppled by popular demand show us the evidence.

 

Hmmmm. I can't get them to stop. When I read foreign papers of watch foreign television, there is something I notice. While the palistineans are throwing rocks or blowing themselves up, the Israelis are bombong the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of them with jets and modern equipment. Not exactly a fair fight.
So I can remember a couple countries attacking Israel and then them attacking someone but really, I can't claim to be an expert on who is "right".

However, I've traveled a lot and also, my in-laws are Persian and I've been practically a member of several Persian families (you know how it is, once you're accepted, it's nothing but kisses and being force-fed every time you walk in their door - VERY warm culture) for over 20 years. So that is a subject and culture I have a bit more direct knowledge of.

 

1. Iran supports organizations already engaged in armed conflict with Israel, and has clearly stated its desire to have Israel destroyed.

2. Nukes are not defensive weapons, they only can provide defensive utility as a threat of nuke retaliation BUT Israel already has them and does not use them, so their is no need because Israel has no interest in engaging Iran unless it feels threatened. Therefore Iran only needs to worry about being attacked if itself becomes a threat to others. Hence it should not need nukes. You say Iran is rallying support in the region, but rallying support for what? Saudi Arabia probably doesnt want a nuke armed Iran, Afghanistan probably wouldnt and Turkey wouldnt despite what they might say publically.

3. The regime does not need to deliver a nuke, it only needs to supply it to someone who will deliver it with the same aims. Iran has long built up a network of sympathic militant organisations who have already demonstrated cruel, inhumane and illegal acts of war against innocent civilians for political and religious reasons. Iranian strategy is rather transperant but unfortunatly most people only read silly headlines so have no idea...

4. That's not a solution. Animals like Hamas want the destruction of Israel, not a ceasation of expansion. Its biased and unworkable given the repeated initiations of hostilities by various terrorist organizations, mostly funded by Iran.

No-one should be getting nukes anymore, otherwise it will lead to a global arms race with nukes which are devastating weapons. The ppl who have them should be reducing numbers and increasing controls to secure them.

If Iran wants nuclear energy then they need to stop supporting terrorists organizations attacking Israel or anyone else, stop calling for the destruction of other nations/peoples, and let the Palestinians etc work out their issues peacefully. If they'd stop attacking Israel it would have been sorted out by now.

 

Wrong right off the bat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
Israel did not sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and therefore can have nuclear weapons if it wants.
Iran did sign the treaty in return for peaceful nuclear technology. Thus, they agreed to abide by the treaty and not pursue military nuclear technology.

So Iran does not have a right to a nuke. They signed that right away.