"Ahmadinejad: Iran is determined to eradicate Zionism"

Are you psychic? Do you read minds? Otherwise how could you know this, if it were true. Since the rest of us aren't psychics we have to assume when they threaten to push the regime into the sea or wipe it off of the map they really mean what they say.

 

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Here are my inputs:

It does, and those it declared to be its enemies have the right to stop it, because, y'know, fundamentalists that declared you are their enemy with a bomb is like not cool, or we can trust their on good nature...

Who threats Iran? dont say Israel, the only risk of a threat that was made because of Iran effort to get a bomb, other than that what risks do they have? are they surounded by hostile countries, were they attacked by them 7 times before? did anyone declare they are about to destroy Iran?
Israel is supposed to had a bomb since the 60's, we had 2 major wars since then including a near wipe in 73 but the bomb was never used, we proved somthing back then, Iran leaders will not act the same way.

Yea well everone has an opinion, your is true because?

Actually im worried about the Pal and Egypt (should their ignorance not be contained) to try somthing that will force Israel to act when it really doesnt want to do, Iran taunts from afar so what do they care to warm things up, and the crimes you mentioned work both ways, if you dont see it then you are no better from those that think there should be no peace with arabs, you both are on the same level.

 

LOL That's entirely contradictory. You take every threat from another nation seriously? Really? No I'm not psychic, I'm a student of foreign relations theory. If history is any judge, wmds are for deterrence, not use (unless its to END an all-out conflict). Read any foreign relations analysis on Iran and they (most) will confirm what I have said. Iran wants deterrence - not to start a war. Reagan stated this at the same time as saying he wanted to rid the world of communism. By your logic, the USSR should have attacked the US because it feared Reagan was escalating the military for an attack which he threatened. Totally illogical reasoning.
Judging Iran's intent isnt 'mind reading'; it entails making a factually based assessment. Why would Iran attack Israel knowing the result would be total destruction of Iran? Your assumption is entirely nonsensical. Iran's regime has been under pressure of destruction since its inception. First it was worried of US reprisals as it had displaced a government that was installed by the CIA. Then it was swept up in a war with Iraq which clearly heightened the aggressive nature of the government by securing the country. Israel has RETURNED Iran's threats with EQUAL aggressiveness. Israel's leadership actually asked Bush to attack Iran and Iraq simultaneously - and this was before any conceived probability of Iran even SEEKING nukes, let alone having them. By Iran's threat it secures its place regionally by rallying the region's population (as people hate Israel's atrocities, rightly so) in a manner that is defensive of its own boundaries. Almost every nation around Iran wants it destroyed. The Saudis were equally as violent in their sentiments as to how the US should deal with Iran. The population of both Iran with other Arab + Persian populaces have specifically stated they want Iran to have nukes to DEFEND THEMSELVES. If you want examples of any points made I cna provide them.
And again, you accuse me of blind assumptions and then make your own based on far less information than as I have given. Again, look at any governmental or NGO analysis and they will overwhelmingly reiterate my point here.

 

Thanks. I'm surprised how much irrelevant bs has been spewed out here. Thanks for getting us back on track.

Again, its not about good nature, its about logical analysis. Iran CANNOT attack, even if it wanted to. It would mean its own annihilation. Iran merely threatens, or rather preaches, Israel's destruction as a way of look tough, which is working due to Israel's atrocities in the occupied territories etc.

See above. Israel asked Bush to wipe out Iran BEFORE any notions of Iran obtaining nuclear material, let alone using it. Israel didnt need to use nuclear materials before that because IT STARTED earlier conflicts. Similarly, almost every other nation has called for aggressive action on Iran - the Saudis asking for an attack. So yes the feeling of being threatened is VERY MUCH neutral.

Did you not see the reaction to their last fraudulent election? Half the country wants another Revolution in Iran. Specifically a "Green revolution."

So, by this you are saying Israel will start a war, but it will be the Palestinian's and Egyptian's fault? LOL Totally nonsensical. Israel should stop its repression and it wont have to worry about its neighbors. The fact is the overwhelming source of anti-Israeli sentiment in the region is due to Israel's regional policies which are almost entirely illegal. Most people also feel they are on the defensive given the US interventionism, which has also been primarily illegal.

 

First I think they want WMD's because they want to create massive death and destruction. They are terrorist and terrorist supporters after all. Second off they think the 12th imam will save them from retribution. So they don't fear being attacked back for what they themselves instigate.

 

http://worldnews.about.com/od/iran/f/12thimam.htm

 

Yes I notice you responded to his post but dodged mine. I understand why this would be the case.

 

Funny but on another thread on the issue of boycotts, I read that the refusal to recognize Israel actually took place even before Israel existed, so it cannot be said to be a result of any policies of the State.
"Arab boycotts of Zionist institutions and Jewish businesses began before Israel's founding as a state. An official boycott was adopted by the Arab League almost immediately after the formation of the state of Israel in 1948, but is not fully implemented in practice". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Israel

 

If a Jewish banker or a global corporation will profit from Israel's destruction by Iran,it is ok for them I guess. LoL

 

Zionists did not make any secrets of their plans, their policy (land robbery and ethnical cleansing) was stated by leading Zionists before 1948.

Only a fool wold have accepted such criminal policies.

 

Why? What is your evidence for this - ie analysis and scholarly judgment? First aim of almost every and any creature is self preservation. The Iranian regime would not have held onto power so ardently just to dispose of it in a meaningless bloodbath.

No different to the US, or Israel for that matter.

Ok, so? Iran's religious leaders have specifically stated that instigating violence to bring his arrival cannot bring him quicker.

LOL Really? You think they'd just take it? So why did they fight back against Saddam? You are totally lost.

 

Sorry I must have missed it. Could you tell me which number the post is or which page it is on so I can reply to it?

 

What is your point here? I am talking about the populace of the region today, not before 1948. LOL Given the majority of Iran's population especially is quite young, your point is quite irrelevant.

 

Indeed zionists had been forcibly displacing and violently attacking locals for thirty years before the creation of Israel.

 

In actually reading the link Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for the readication of Zionism and not the state of Israel. Reference to Israel were inserted by the author of the article. There is a difference between the state of Israel which is a country and Zionism which reflects a racist aparthied political agenda in Palestine. Unfortunately the Zionists control and have controlled the government of Israel since it's inception so the racists apartheid agenda of the Zionists are reflected in the actions of the Israeli government.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is calling for the end of the tyranny of the Zionist regime controlling Israel and is not, nor has he ever, proposed that Israel should be eradicated. He is calling on the rest of the world to oppose tyranny and ending tyranny is something the world should support.

Of course Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should be concentrating on ending the tyranny of the Iranian government but he seems to ignore that tyranny.

 

As Israel managed?

 

So who had the nuclear weapons and was threatening Israel to the extent that it felt compelled to acquire them? China, the USA, Russia, France, the UK?

 

The answer from the rabid right will be something along the lines of, 'all Muslims care about is martyrdom/12th Imam/virgins in heaven (take your pick), thus self-immolation is their path to god.

Edit: I was right, post #355 demonstrates that mindset perfectly!

 

Usual Zionist falsification.

The author of the topic should be punished for distortion of quotes.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mScWWtRfGQ"]Ahmadinejad DID NOT threaten to "wipe Israel off the map." - YouTube[/ame]

 

My point is that you claimed that as follows:
The fact is the overwhelming source of anti-Israeli sentiment in the region is due to Israel's regional policies which are almost entirely illegal
Now if this anti-Israeli sentiment existed before it was founded as a state, how can it be due to the state's policies? What reason did the youth 60 or 70 years ago have?

 

You are conflating facts. I am referring to recent polls, expressing the views of current populations. You are referring to the actions of a few groups and governments years ago. You haven't provided polls indicating the extent or reason why the population was opposed to the Zionist movements. Most likely it was the high level of anti-imperialism, combined with antisemitic undertones. Regardless why or what the local populace of the region did or did not think back then, their reasons now are as I described. If you want a link to the global polling data I'm referring to I can provide.

 

My point Maga is that there will always be a reason and there always has been a reason. Which raises the question of whether Israel can ever do right by their haters. Do you really think they could? Would the hatred stop? Or are too many too invested to let it go. Just look at the mood on this board and we are on the WWW. Imagine how hard the fronts are on the front so to speak. It seems increasingly hopeless to me.

 

I agree - the thing is the reason, or rather reasonS change and differ over time and space.

Yes, certainly. Iran was hated, yet has become beloved by the region's populace. If Israeli merely became the nation it proclaims itself to be, it could quite easily alter the sentiments of the region.

There are some, of course.

How so? Well yes there are some who would spark a war with Iran that doesn't need to be commenced.

The reality is if Israel simply returned to its borders and recognized the Palestinians they would have a huge turn around in regional sentiment, not to mention world wide sentiment. It would deprive the true haters of Israel of any legitimate reason to hate it and hence lose their support. Personally however, I do not believe Israeli policy makers will do this - they would rather be destroyed than accept a reasonable peace. There have been times when they came close, but not enough to dissuade me of this opinion.

 

Iran determinted to crush all jews..