Al Qaeda Plants Its Flag in Libya

You may believe in secular government based on Christian principles, but they want secular government based on Islamic principles..

And clearly.. you know absolutely nothing about Wahhabis.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...professor-el-keib-interim-prime-minister.html

 

The two top ranking candidates running for president are secular. Both are Muslims, both practicing, both aware of the dangers of the wahabi doctrine and both hopefully fit to fight it infecting our country. El Baradei and Moussa.

There are 10 commandments.
I cannot imagine any decent person religious or not disagreeing with any of them.

10 if you are religious and 6 if you are not.

Do not kill
Do not steal
Do not commit adultery
Do not lie
Honour your parents
Do not envy

and if you are religious

Worship only One God
Worship no idols
Keep sabbath
Do not blaspheme

 

I lived in the middle east between 2000-2004, and my wife was a Sunni....I know all about Wahbists, Hamas, Hezz, and a whole lot more that I experienced first hand.....as opposed to reading about the region somewhere in some righty anti Muslim blog.

 

Lol...Obama is like the guy who comes in and cleans up the peep show floor.

 

Really.. I lived in the ME for two decades... and I find the stuff about Wahhabis to be completely overblown by armchair experts who had learned a new word.

 

I can see both sides...secularists and the faithfull....trying to play the role as victim for the press. There is supposedly this war on Christmas...and people who are dissallowed to post religous artifacts and symbols in public buildings.....and I think people should have the right to do that..........

..............but we are a long way from Christians in this country being restricted from practicing or establishing a relgion.

What I don't get is why Sunday isn't enough for some relgious folks...It's a whole day devoted to God. Why do they think they need to provide religion at schools, the workplace in public buildings?......

But hey.....I support thier consitutional right to do so.

 

It seems that both secular, and non secular governments are capable of breaking those core 6 commandments...and are all capable of stealing, killing, and lieing.

I resist the idea that one is worse than the other.....and one may well be worse....but I believe my eyes and ears.....not what some political writer or politician tells me.

 

Where in the middle east?...amongst Muslims?

 

Yes. Mostly in Arabia but also in Libya and Kuwait.

 

Who claimed Gadaffi was a good guy? Of course Obama wanted regime change, and who cares about Bachman?

Focus please.

 

You guys? Broad brush generalize much? What "house cleaning" do you refer to?

 

Ah......I lived in the more moderate areas...Turkey, northern Iraq, northern Syria, and Tabriz, which really isn't all that moderate.

If you lived in Saudii Arabia, Kuwait, and Libya....it's no wonder you might think the whole region is rank with crazy fundamentalists

 

Really...... I was a leading professor for Middle Eastern and Islamic studies at 3 world renown Universities and have written 9 books on various topics of the Middle East 5 of which are now required reading by leading Universities worldwide. After having lived in 6 different M.E. countries over a period of 2 decades, I was sought out to apply my in depth knowledge as a special adviser to Kings and Presidents in the region and have 3 Nobel prizes to my credit. I am fluent in 8 languages and 12 regional dialects. I also happen to be a world renowned M.E. Chef and have written 5 books and many contributing articles winning many awards. I am a renowned archeologist, philanthropist specializing in M.E. culture and I am a professional camel jockey.
People hang on my every word................even the prepositions............
I could disarm you with my looks.......or my hands........either way..........
If I were to mail a letter without postage.................it would still get there.
If it is raining................it is because I am thinking of something sad..............
I once had an awkward moment.............just to see how it feels............
I live vicariously..................through myself.............

I am in fact...........the worlds most interesting man.

 

Libya is still in an early revolutionary situation, which means it is very volatile. Extremist groups have definitely come out of the woodwork and tribes and factions jockey for position. The key to the future will be whether the NTC can do a competent enough job in the next year or so to retain control (timely release of sufficient amounts of Libya's own money will help) while retaining the loyalty of enough armed Libyans to prevent a coup from succeeding.

Regardless of whether democracy succeeds in Libya, the danger of arms being exported to Islamists and other bad folks abroad is very real. Marlow's beloved Qadaffi had the brilliant policy of buying massive amounts of weapons and munitions of all sorts and stashing them in bases, caches and warehouses all over Libya, now easily available for looting and profitable export. I'm sure Israel is looking forward to a much better armed Hamas, or the U.S. to a much better armed Al Qaeda in Yemen.

 

Does that mean you've never been to the middle east?

 

While I don't dissagree with any point in particular....there were big predictions of Russian nukes getting into the hands of terrorists...I don't think they needed Libyan arms all this time in order to plan and carry out attacks. Arms are not hard to get...you just gotta have the money to buy them, and hide from our covert ops folks.

 

I'm pretty sure folks in the Reagan admin thought the same about Afghanistan after the Soviets pulled out.

That turned out well.

 

No Obama has NO doctrine of regime change..

Meanwhile, the Libyans.. or many Libyans .. are flying the old flag that predates Khadafi.

 

Actually, I don't think the whole area is rife with fundamentalists.. and I didn't say that.

I have also spent brief periods in Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran and Beirut.

 

Okay.....since I may be mispercieving you.....do you think Iraq was a good idea, or bad?......and I'd ask the same regarding Afghanistan and Libya

Please don't be one of those people who think Iraq and Afghanistan were great things and Libya was a terrible idea. That would break my heart, because I think you should be for all three, or none, to be intellectually consistant

 

We don't have the military bandwidth to patrol the entire Muslim world, and we shouldn't try.

Part of why Muslims become radicalized is the fact that America goes around trying to influence people in the region to oppose them. It's like telling a kid they can't do something. They're gonna want it even more.

The 1980's Afghanistan/global situation was very different for the US. The US has a right to defend intself and eliminate threats.....but not untill they threaten us.

Did you know that this flag that has every righty in the country proclaiming the Libyan action a failure was only up for a day or so?....and the people flying it elsewhere have mostly stopped?

Getting all a'twitter about this is like being afraid when you see a confederate flag because you think the south is gonna start another civil war.

 

Youre right, that's why we should have never:
Invaded Iraq

Proped up a corrupt leader in Afghanistan, and spent billions on a futile occupation for ten years.

Propped up a brutal dictator in Iran, and have tried to pick a fight every since they overthrew him.

And oh ya, we should have never interfeared in Libya's internal affairs, now which is has resulted in chaos.

Umm no, Muslims become radicalized because they live in (*)(*)(*)(*)ty conditions, under brutal governments, then they are taken advantage of by religious zealots.

When you tell a kid to not strap plastic explosives around his waste, walk into a market, and blow himself up along with children women and children. He's most likely not going to do it.

Your analogy is stupid.

So, supporting Muslim nut jobs with billions in cash and weapons to fight against the soviets never turned out to be a threat against the United States.

I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about a flag. I give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the fact that the head military hancho running the show in tripoli, is an Islamist who just happened to be tortured by Libyans, on the request at the US. Try googling Abdel Hakim Belhaj.

Another stupid analogy, a flag is the least of our problems. We should be worried that thru our governments bumbling foreign policy, we have a new potential war, because we put potential enemies in power at expense of about a billion dollars or so.

What's really sad, you're a Obama apologist at all cost. Lol.

 

I was very opposed to attacking both Iraq and Afghanistan months before the start of either.

I think NATO did the right thing in Libya...

 

What is it about some Texans?......you're pretty hostile. You should take advantage of some of that bloodthirstyness and go to work as a mercenary over there...you could get paid for killing Muslims!

Let me tell you what I learned from Muslims first hand, and I actualy had two guys who were with Hezz threaten to kill me after our conversation.

1. Muslim extremists in the middle east don't want to kill Americans because we're rich, nor do they want to kill us because we have freedom and liberty, or because we're Christians.

2. Muslim extremists have had enough reasons to want to kill Americans for generations, in thier opinion. The main reason is our support for Israel, and recently, our military presence in the gulf.

3. The only places in the Muslim world where there are significant numbers of common folk that hate Americans, and approve of violence against American citizens is in parts of Egypt, Pakistan, Morrocco, and Lebanon. Maybe Iran...but not in the parts I visted, or at least nobody talked about approving of terrorism

4. The vast majority of Muslims in the middle east just want to work, raise thier kids, and live in peace......just like us.

 

NATO didn't really make any real military decisions....in fact.....Obama had to talk Sarkozy and Cameron into acting....if you liked Libya...Obama is the one you should think did the right thing.

I personally don't care more about Libyans, Afghaniis, and Iraqiis than I do Americans. We should have all those troops home on our border with Mexico, securing that whole mess.