America's political dilemma

I'm an Independent but I lean towards Democrat policies. It's hard to lean to Republican policies, they don't have any.
My last comment means Trump was the worst person in government.

 

How does one jump to this completely illogical conclusion?
"I'm not a Democrat".."Oh, so you hate the American political system!!"........wait....what?

The writing was already on the wall

 

I disagree that it has been "decades" but it is getting close to it
I belive that a direct line can be drawn that shows when news departments were termed "entertainment" but more importantly when Roger Ailes took over Fox News and made it take a hard right turn is when the divide and animosity began. Those changes were made for profit. It worked.

 

Perhaps we could have a discussion.

The core of Republican policies supports capitalism and freedom. It also includes compassion for those who a down and out in the short run, and support for those who cannot help themselves. It is does include the statement from AOC that "You can work if you feel like it." To finish that phrase, "If you don't feel like, the government should give you a living at taxpayers' expense." Even socialist countries lose patience with "slackers," but AOC is too poorly informed to know that.

To say that Republicans have no policies is totally unfair and misinformed.

 

Ok, let's have a discussion.

Corrrect, the core of Republican policies is capitalism. Their use of the millitary and "freedom" are just props for financial support.
Republicans have no use of those who are down and out in the short run. You would be hard pressed to show any examples of that. Republicans believe that those who can't help themselves are liars and free loaders and should pull themselves up by the bootstrapes like a good American should.
I can not find any AOC quote where she has said "You can work if you feel like it" much less the "finished" phrase. I find it funny how Republicans love to use the old Regan quote of "I'm from the government and here to help". I find it funny because when there is any kind of disaster governors are very quick to have their hand out. Especially red states. Who do you think is less informed? AOC or MTG?
Republicans having no policies is neither unfair nor misinformed.

 

Pretty sure he means this:

The actual resolution that outlines the Green New Deal does not include the "unwilling to work" part, but the overview document, released by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's office, does include the "unwilling" language. The overview entails the "nuts and bolts" of the plan. Ocasio-Cortez identifies as a democratic socialist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...mic-security-for-those-unwilling-to-work.html

This "let the government take care of everyone," including the lazy and entitled, ethos is a problem for today's Democrats, who need a latter day JFK.

Obviously people who think she hung the moon (because she's sorta pretty) won't object, but Independents and of course conservatives find it revolting. What if everyone were unwilling to work?

 

Would you care to expand upon that? The last sentence does not make sense to me.

Modern Republicans, since the 1950s, have not moved to do away with programs like unemployment compensation and even welfare to a point. The phrase "a hand up, but not a hammock" applies. If you lose your job, there is money there to help you get through until you find another one. If you need some income to live, there are programs there, but you should not expect to get totally free benefits if you are able bodied. You are expected to put in some effort to pull your own weight.

That was one of the provisions of the latest deficit ceiling increase deal. If you can work, you should put in at least 20 hours a week. What is unfair about that? Why should people who are working have their tax dollars paid to those who can work, but won't?

 

Probably, he did but.....

What is being referred to, the Green New Deal, is simply ideas that should be explored. Just as Rick Scott's Plan for America. They are just ideas. Some could have merit and some are.....out there.

Are there those that are lazy and "unwilling to work"? Yes. Always was and will be. Are there those that "need" to work. Yes. Always was and will be. The largest group are those willing and able to work and to build a life. The more advanced we get......the harder it becomes. The last stage of my working life, before retirement (though I still work) was in manufacturing. Where I worked, welders were the main workers but there was/is the specter of robots to do the work. Cheaper, don't need time off etc. Now we also have AI to contend with. What are people to do?

 

Republicans "love the military" until they have to help those that served when they are out. They fight against the VFW tooth and nail. Democrats aren't much better but the bar is very low with Republicans. Republicans love to tout how they fight for our "freedoms" like the 2nd amendment to the point where there is a massive problem with it in the US and all they offer is "thoughts and prayers". Very sad. Dems want to at least try things. Will they work? Who knows but doing nothing sure doesn't.

I like how you added "to a point" because they do want to get rid of them but they know the public would abandon them if they did.

Everyone know that. Are there some that take advantage...yes. Are there extremely wealthy people that take advantage of tax laws......again yes but Republicans turn a blind eye on them.

The debt limit is to pay bills. Do you bargin with the people you pay your bills to? No, you don't.

And that means doing any job?

I'll try to give an example. My wife is a year away from retirement and the company she works for has been bought by a larger company. Will she still be employed? Unknown. If they close the plant, what does she do? Unemployment is at 2% here. Manufacturing jobs are scarce. This would be an example of those "unwilling" to work. A program to get you to retirement.

 

@9royhobbs, why do you deny your political affiliation? AOC wishes she could be as eloquent in the defense of Socialist Democrat principles.

It’s interesting that you pick out out the name of a fictional baseball player who comes back from a near fatal shooting in Bernard Malamud’s novel. As you can see we “knuckle draggers” read books too, now and then, in between sharping our stone axes. I must admit though that I read that novel back in the ‘70s.

You say the Republicans fight against the VFW. Funny, when I was young in the ‘70s, they were joined at the hip, and probably still are.

 

I didn't. I'm a registered Independent

The movie matched it exactly. Great movie

Wow, two references to the '70's.
Joined at the hip to get your votes and money but did nothing for you.

 

Both political parties want to rule by the party first, and everyone else second. It has been evolving this way since GWB was elected in 2000 and gradually progressed from there. The amount of hate towards Obama by conservative talk shows did not compare to what Trump said and did towards, certain groups. And it goes beyond politics. Now, you have people saying that if you are friends on FB or have friends who are politically opposite of you, you should not be friends with them again.

 

the big veterans organizations, vfw and american legion, are republican unless they have been rinofied.

other than that @9royhobbs is correct.

 

I take it you arnt one of those MAGA types that complains about being labeled thus and being placed in a box based on what they post around here huh?

Its funny, so many Trump supporters pretend they arnt just that, and pretend to be Independents. That wouldn't be you now would it?

 

Only ones that wish to overthrow our political system are MAGA types.

Because its a flawed requirement. Work where for instance? 20 hours of daycare eats up any benefits one gains with such a requirement.

Where does social justice, and environmental protection fit in with the MAGA agenda?

They cant pretend they dont care because woman being displaced from sports is a social justice issue.

 

It's not rocket science. Divide and conquer works very well.

It works for the for-profit news media by sowing hate in their viewers for the other side, so their viewers keep coming back, tuning in for more confirmation bias that the other side is the devil. Chaching...

It works for social media, who make profit from advertisements in the same way.

It works for politicians, who gain or retain power by using divide and conquer. Why? Because our primary system together with gerrymandering has created a system that favors extremists that thrive on peddling hate for the other side.

Now, one just has to look at political ads to see the problem. Policy proposals nowhere to be seen, just painting the other side as the devil. "Us v. them" is a view that is psychologically built into all of us. It is up to us to realize it and actively work against falling into this "us vs. them" trap. If we don't manage to do just that, we may end up like the Northern Irish killing each other during the troubles. Or, the Israelis and Palestinians killing each other. Do we want war or peace, that's the question.

 

negative campaigns seem to work so well in politics than they now are being applied in the corporate world as well.

bud light is a bit too carb heavy for me but i think i'll go to target this week to see what all the hubbub is about.

 

Perhaps you should review what the FBI and DOJ are doing these days. If you think that the politicalization of those two agencies is a good thing, I would suggest that you review how totalitarian regimes have used their judicial and police systems to stifle decent.

 

Which one of those regime's has our constitution in place? Pesky thing keeps getting in the way of your narrative and Trumps desires.

 

Because there weren't any, until Trump.

 

You are assuming that the Democrats obey the constitution. If Biden really took the $5 million bribe, please let me know where is in the constitution.

 

People in America are just getting stupider. They are easily manipulated, have zero class or character, and lack ability to communicate effectively.

 

Biden said he would be a unifier when he was campaigning from his basement in 2020, but as soon as he had taken The Oath of Office, he made a distinct left turn and has never changed. Now he's running his mouth about "MAGA Republicans" because he's painted himself into a political corner. If he tracks toward the center the leftists, like AOC, will spear him. As it turns out, Biden beat out Bernie Sanders for president, but Biden and Sanders are really the same person, except Sanders is not senile.

My wife, who is always hoping for unifier, had hopes for Biden. Like me, she knew it over as soon as he started signing those far left executive orders.

 

I am not sure there is anything he can do to bring back the "f Joe Biden" and "Let's go Brandon" crowd. These people are beyond hope. You can't unify the country with people like this, who have so much hate and believe that Biden stole the election (from his basement).

 

Do you see the Lets Go Brandon crowd being fundamentally different in regards to being reachable, then were all of those people screaming at the sky, yelling "not my president", and going around for years bogusly accusing Trump of colluding with Russia to steal the election?