America's political dilemma

No, but Trump actually lost the popular vote. Trump was the affirmative action hire.

 

Biden had a chance after he was sworn into office. He blew it. Trump discredited himself with a lot of people after that stupid January 6 rally. It was over then, but Trump kept beating the dead horse.
Then some of his dim-witted fans stormed the Capitol and gave the Democrats a year + of "holier than thou" opportunities which they badly overplayed.

Some people might say that the two sides deserve each other except for the fact that they form whatever there is of the modern "center." On the left you have ANTFA and Black Lives Matter, both discredited. On the right you have the ultra MAGAs who will stay home if Trump does not get the Republican nomination or split the right by voting for a Trump third party run.

 

Did my post have anything to do with whether or not Trump won or lost the mythical "popular vote"?

 

Yes.
Not mythical, factual by the way.

 

Except BLM is a bipartisan international movement, but dont let that fact stand in the way of your narrative right?

 

Since we both agree that it had nothing to do with my post, why then did you respond with what amount to a non sequitur?

Yes mythical. There is no such thing as a popular vote. There are only 50 different state elections. If popular vote was a real thing, campaign strategy would differ drastically. A great many Republicans dont bother turning out in California because it is fruitless, as do a great many Democrats In Alabama. Turn out the vote efforts from both sides would be aimed at states where they currently do not bother. Turnout would undeniably be much different if popular vote were a "real" thing. It is mythical. Theoretical even.

 

I dont agree with that assessment or strategy that there is no point in trying.
How they conduct their campaign strategies has nothing to do with the fact that the popular vote is real, and trump didnt win it contributing to the discourse.

 

Of course how the rules are set up has a drastic impact on campaign strategy, especially in regards to get out the vote efforts in various states. You cannot claim otherwise with a straight face.

Unless and until popular vote were the actual rules, we have no way of knowing how that would turn out.

 

What a laugh. BLM is corrupt, bankrupt organization whose leaders have stolen millions for for themselves. Poor Blacks are still poor while BLM leadership buys multi million dollar homes for themselves in LA.

 

Until you get the constitution changed, the popular vote is a moot point. You pile up huge numbers in California and New York State when it's a waste of money for Republicans to campaign.

 

Still was a major contributing factor to the discourse. Whats the excuse for the jan 6ers or current lets go brandon crowd?
Trump lost both popular and electoral.
Some mythical plot that the election was stolen?

 

If you think that Biden had a chance with the 24/7 Fox News watchers, you are delusional. That's exactly what drives the current division, the for-profit "news" channels that foster the division and sow the hate every night. And the usual watchers get addicted and come back for more hate every day. I am not saying this is a problem with the right only, as MSNBC does the same to Trump/Republicans. It is, however, without question, that the advent of Fox News made this kind of "journalism" acceptable and brough it to the mainstream of evening "news". They learned from the likes of Rush Limbaugh on talk radio, who have perfected this kind of revenue model ages ago. If it tears the country apart, they don't care, as long as it gives them viewers, listeners, clicks.... and, therefore, bucks.

 

So the first time you changed the subject from me discussing with someone whether or not the Democrats legitimately had any chance of working with Trump to a discussion about the popular vote.

Now that I have debunked that mythical nonsense, you want to change to a discussion about January 6? You do anything in your power to admit when you are wrong dont you?

 

Try an keep up. You asked if there was a chance to reach the not my president crowd.
Trump losing the the popular vote fueled that discourse for the left. Nothing mythical about it.

Whats fueling the MAGAs? He lost both popular and electoral. Is it some mythical plot to steal the election thats been debunked?

 

There is plenty that is mythical about it, mainly that it is not the rules in place. It is not real. It is merely a statistic.

You may as well argue that a football team lost because the other team gained more yards. It does not matter that they gained more yards, the only thing that matters is the score according to the rules. If the rules were that the most yards wins, the strategy during the game would be different. Your entire argument is theoretical because we have no idea how an actual popular vote contest would turn out. We have never had a popular vote contest for President. We have elections where the rules dictate that the person with the most electoral college votes wins.

You are fooling exactly no one when you try to pretend like I am "not keeping up". I am "keeping up" perfectly, which is why I am inarguably correct.

 

Once again, it still fueled the discourse for the left.
Anyone playing the "not my president" now has no basis for it. Trump lost both.

 

....and this distinction is relevant to what exactly?

Does this mean that they were willing to work across the aisle? Does it mean they were not? If not, how is this relevant to the discussion that was taking place?



FWIW....I am glad to see that you finally abandoned the nonsensical mythical popular vote nonsense. I guess that is progress.

 

How unreasonable the MAGA crowd is being.

 

The main stream news media was doing it before Fox News came on the scene. Walter Cronkite admitted that he was a liberal, but he had the professionalism to bury it mostly. One could not say the same for Dan Rather who succeeded him. Dan lost his job because he pushed a phony National Guard story to get George W. Bush. CNN was known as the "Clinton News Network" in the 1990s.

Even the whole "red state" / "blue state" map was a cover for the Democrats. If the Democrats had gotten the "red state," it would have been too easy to paint them with that brush.

 

I agree it’s a dilemma but believe our economic system rather than political is driving it. That is the changes in the economic system over the last half century. The consolidation that has occurred has changed the power dynamic. The competitive battles that were once localized are played out nationally in consolidated media environment. Add in political financing changes and there’s no wonder why we’re not heard. Behemoth monied interests battling to further their interests.

 

How you are throwing in so many non-sequiturs into one conversation.

That's not typically the domain of those with a strong argument.

 

True because they are believing anything and everything they read on Twitter, FB, and other social media posts without even really thinking it through. Hence why conspiracy theories are now so inundated in the mainstream media.

Good adage to follow: if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't.

 

So did Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and Trump. And yet of all of them, maybe Reagan and Clinton were more of a unifier than the other presidents listed. Bush Sr came close and was a unifier internationally, but not domestically.

But the other problem is that it is easy to get thing done if your party controls the House, Senate, and WH. That is not unifying, that is exercising political power. It is far different if one or more of those three are controlled by the other political party. Hence why compromise is always key and why hardliners lost in the debt ceiling crisis.

 

Neither the FBI or the DOJ has been politicized. When you make this argument, all you are really arguing is that you don't want your candidate to held to the same standard as anyone else.

Remember, Pence was cleared in which he is not going to be charged because he had a few documents in his possession. This will be the same with Joe Biden. But with Trump, the details is that he pretty much went beyond just keeping the documents in his basement at Mar A Lago. And that is why there may be charges coming in late 2023 or early 2024.

 

Not if Paul Ryan is Speaker of the House. He blew his opportunity to head a Republican program. It's why Republicans kicked his sorry woke butt to the curb.