An atheist, a homosexual, and a vegan walk into a bar, and....

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

 

It was a joke.

 

Yes the number of victims of clergy abuse probably exceeds the number of people who were at Woodstock.

 

So the thread was always intended as a joke, never as an attempt to debate or discuss philosophy and religion? We should probably have a mod move it to the correct subforum, then.

 

I knew somebody would want to control the conversation by getting the mods involved. Tell you what, why don't you guys just bag the meta narrative since you are the ones who screwed this thread up.

 

Control the conversation? How is moving a joke topic to the joke subforum controlling the conversation? In fact, you've complained repeatedly that people were treating your joke as a topic of religion/philosophy debate and discussion . . . which is what this subforum is for. If you want to just treat it as a joke, then moving it to the appropriate subforum would help you control the conversation in the direction that you originally wanted it.

If debating and discussing religion and philosophy has screwed up your thread, then your thread is in the wrong place.

 

Since when do JW's not claim to be followers of Christ ? These folks (bless their brainwashed souls) know more about the teachings of Christ than most Fundamentalists.

 

You're not discussing and debating religion and philosophy, you are discussing ME.

Some people in this thread got it, and you're not one of them.

 

You realize that the Fundamentalists are the folks Jesus is referring to in that passage do you not ?

Do you know what "the will of the Father" is according to the "Sermon on the Mount" which is where the passage is from ?

 

Alternative ending.

An atheist, a vegan, and a homosexual went into a bar, and they got along fine because they were not judgemental Christian (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s whose bigotries they supported through iron age cults.


Another.

An atheist, a vegan, and a homosexual went into a bar, and promptly were stomped by a guy named Bubba who takes his wife and kids to Southern Baptist every Sunday.

 

I suggested that the 1st day.
Then a later statement discussed how only facts are given. Sooo, readers judge.

 

I have not insulted you - yet - but will respond. Christians have a wide variety of differing beliefs so in a general sense your claim that the beliefs of Christians in general are specific and codified needs way more clarification.

Then there is the problem of showing that dogma fits in with the actual message of Jesus - which should be the benchmark for what a Christian is.

Trinity is the one specific doctrine which almost all denominations of Christianity hold in common. Let me know if you can think of others.

Good luck showing that this doctrine was something that Jesus actually believed.

As far as entrance into the pearly gates ( the main point of believing in most religions), there are different salvation formulations depending on the denomination.

So, other than the Trinity, what other beliefs that if one does not hold, make one a "Non Christian" ?

 

Reading through this thread, I have not seen much meaningful conversation from you at all so it seems that you are controlling the conversation by not engaging in one.

 

There are so many things wrong with this post it's hard to know where to begin.

Tell me, what are the "wide variety of differing beliefs", without bringing up sprinkling vs. Immersion, because they are all baptism.

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So, like the others, you have nothing to talk about but me.

 

Yet you do not name one. As I said, you are the master of the non-conversation

You make a claim stating that there are all these codefied things that if one does not believe one is not a Christian. I specifically state the one thing I know of (Trinity) that fits and ask you to name others and you make no attempt to support your claim - Master of non conversation.

Then you ask me to list differing beliefs but, do not address the massive difference that I already listed - Difference in salvation formulation - Master of Non Conversation

No, I actually made numerous comments in relation to your post Mr. Master of Non Conversation.

I will however, answer your question even though you did not deign to answer mine.

The list of differences in believes among various Christian denominations is numerous.

I already gave you one .. a big one. 1) Salvation formulation (Sola Fide, Faith vs Works)

2) Difference in how the Communion ritual doctrine - "Transubstantiation or no Transubstantiation"
Given this difference it is even more nonsensical that some denominations bastardized the ritual by substituting grape juice for wine.

3) Beliefs about Alcohol - Many fundamentalists believe Alcohol is forbidden.

4) Literacy of the Bible (inerrancy)

5) Beliefs in relation to marriage - intermarriage between different denominations

Now over to you. Other than the Trinity ... what are these specific codified beliefs that makes on a "non Christian" if one does not believe ?

 

Veneration of the saints, predestination, the nature of (or even existence of) the Trinity, the continuing existence of tongues and other spiritual gifts, the veneration of Mary, the nature of salvation, adherence to or abandonment of a whole litany of OT laws, the degree to which the Bible should be treated literally, wildly different interpretations of the second coming, wildly different interpretations of who qualifies as a Christian and who does not, the security of salvation, etc. etc. And yes, some denominations treat sprinkling vs immersion, or more importantly infant vs adult baptism, very seriously.

 

All of those things are Christian beliefs, some emphasize one over the others, so what? I could make a case for or against any one of those thing, but dividing people is not my bag.

 

I would love to tell you what is wrong with your post, but I am not going to do it on a phone, except to say that these are non problems to everyone but the worst extremists. Like atheists.

 

Who said they were a problem ? They are just differences in beliefs. Nice attempt to create a strawman because you have no material response to my post.

What you have not done is come up specific codified beliefs (other than the Trinity) that "if not believed" make one a non Christian.

Still waiting for you to explain what means "The will of God" in the passage you quoted form Matt 7 - Sermon on the Mount.

"I would love to speak but I wont" says the Master of non-conversation ..

 

They are "wide variety of differing beliefs", which is what you asked for. As far as dividing people goes, that requires no involvement from either you are me. These issues have divided Christians (sometimes lethally so) for centuries. Modern Christians have started lowering the threshold when it comes to acceptable difference, but the wide variety of differing beliefs still exists. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that such division is necessarily a bad thing. I'm not so sure it is. My religion is divided as well, and those divisions have helped spark some very interesting discussions.

Also, if "dividing people" is not your "bag," then you probably shouldn't be going around saying that you have the authority to determine who is Christian and who is not.

 

"Your religion"? Maybe you should concentrate on that, you're not very good at Christianity.

As it is, there are many local customs in many countries that span hundreds of years of Christianity, and there is room for all of it. Sprinkling and immersion are both baptism as long as the proper form and matter are observed. Common cup and shot glasses are still communion. And as a matter of fact, as a Minister of the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, I DO have the authority to speak on these things. I know you just hate that.

 

Now I remember why I had you on ignore.

 

The Christians that come knocking are always evangelicals. They are told that they are violating the law by soliciting and if they don't leave immediately they will be arrested and charged with trespassing.

The JW's and Mormons get the exact same message and yes, I have called the cops but only for the evangelical Christians because they don't seem to grasp the concept of obeying the law and removing themselves from the premises. They seem to believe that they are above the law.

 

Lol, tell you what, you never talk about atheism again and I'll do just that. And feel free to point out anything I've said about Christianity that is incorrect. I'll be waiting.

I've listed far more than that and, again, some of these are issues that Christians have killed each other over.

So much for not wanting to divide people. Didn't figure that would last long.

I don't hate it; I just don't buy it. I've met plenty of other ordained Christian leaders who say that they have the same authority, and your claims are mutually exclusive.

 

Ironic coming from someone who can't prove that what they believe actually exists.