An honest discussion about Racism?

Let's try this again, slowly....

Ayes = yes

Confederate states include:....aww, screw it...here's a map.



now, using common sense, where do you think the majority of opposition to CRA came from?

here's a map of the union...



now here's the 2012 electoral map...



Using common sense once again....where do you think the majority of opposition to CRA came from? The South.

Doesn't matter the "party", the idealogy is what matters. You can sit there as say the KKK, segregation, Jim Crow, etc. came from the democratic party, but the conservative idealogy is what was inside the southern democratic party at that time.

You can thank Goldwater for changing that.

 

I see so what you are saying is that the democrat party used to be the party of the KKK, white nationalists, neo Nazi's.

Now where is your proof that republicans have ever been in the KKK, white nationalists, or neo Nazi's? Let me show you where you are completely wrong. The Nazi party today is the same as the Nazi party of Hitler, which is to say the same socialist philosophies as the democrats of today:

So Nazi's aren't conservative, but liberals like the democrats.

As for the KKK, read this and weep:

And lastly, it is true that white nationalists are considered "conservatives" they are a related to the KKK and the Nazi party but have never been organized in a single group or enjoyed large popularity like the KKK. There is no association between the republican party and any white nationalist group.

 

A majority of CRA opposition came democrats. Why can't you admit that?


What that has to do with Romney vs Obama I have no idea.

We are talking about people who were democrats back in the 50's and 60's when racism and civil rights and you are comparing them to republicans in the 2012 election who are completely different people with different racial attitudes today vs 50 years earlier. Civil rights and the Civil Rights Act is not an issue today.

Most those voters in the South are dead, and the people of the South today have completely different views on racial issues. Meanwhile, you are completely ignoring the racism that existed in the North and West mostly perpetrated by democrats again.

 

Oh I see, you think showing contrived rhetorical examples is the same as proof. You are wrong about that.

 

bwhahaha....

let me know when you have finished revising history.

 

Is that what happened to all those southern Democrats? They all suddenly died? Was there a plague or some kind of natural disaster that killed them all off so quickly? Or did they just become Republicans?

 

First. Let me say that you keep referring to the South and conservatism as if the region and as if conservatism are synonymous with racism, ignoring the fact that I have shown that there was racism in the North and West, and that liberals were guilty of racist policies.
Going over the CRA vote by region over and over to deflect culpability of the democrat party is asinine. The only vote that matters is by party. It is also completely unrelated to the people who live in the South over 50 years later, as most of those peoples are dead and as you say, you can't hold the sons responsible for the sins of their fathers.

Yes, so big deal Strom Thurmond left the democrats and went to the republicans. Once again you are harping on that. Are you harping on the fact that 20 other Southern democrats stayed in the democrat party?

Here are 20 democrats senators who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and unlike Thurmond, felt more at home in the racist democrat party:

1) Senator J. Lister Hill of Alabama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Lister_Hill
2) Senator John Sparkman of Alabama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sparkman
3) Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright
4) Senator John Little McClellan of Arkansas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Little_McClellan
5) Senator Spessard Lindsey of Florida http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spessard_Holland
6) Senator George Smathers of Florida http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smathers
7) Senator Richard Russell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Russell,_Jr.
Senator Herman Talmadge of Georgia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Talmadge
9) Senator Allen J. Ellender of Louisiana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_J._Ellender
10) Senator Russell B. Long of Louisiana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_B._Long
11) Senator James Eastland of Mississippi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland
12) Senator John Stennis of Mississippi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stennis
13) Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Ervin
14) Senator B. Everett Jordan of North Carolina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._Everett_Jordan
15) Senator Olin D. Johnston of South Carolina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olin_D._Johnston
16) Senator Albert Gore Sr. of Tennessee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Gore,_Sr.
17) Senator Walters of Tennessee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_S._Walters
1 Senator H. Byrd of Virginia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_F._Byrd
19) Senator A. Robertson of Virginia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalom_Willis_Robertson
20) Senator Robert H. Byrd of West Virginia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

I guess this shows that the democrat party is 20x more racist that the republican party.

 

Do you have evidence they became republicans because my last post shows they stayed democrat.

 

Okay, so you are just a troll, have no evidence to support your assertions, have no evidence disproving mine that I provided with evidence. Childish mocking is no substitute for intellectual honesty.

I proved the democrats opposed the CRA more than republicans.
Racism is not the problem that it was 60 years ago. There was racism in all 50 states, not just the South. Why would those racist views only change in the North and the West? Let me know when you have finished revising current reality.

 

That Gock is called lying with numbers the Republicans voted 80% in favor the Dems 62% in favor.

 

I'd say your latest poll showing that doesn't exist, but feel free to draw loose correlations.

 

The only thing you have proven is a lack to use logic. It doesn't matter what party a person belonged to during the CRA. Conservative ideology is what mattered, because that ideology is what is present in today's Republican party.

You keep harking on "democrat" party like the democratic party before the passage of CRA is the same democratic party of today.

You say the south is not like it was 60 years ago, well the democratic and republican party is not the same it was 60 years ago, either.

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yet, when you break down the vote by region, it tells a different story.

sorry if you don't like it.

 

You avoided my comment on your racist language. "That's an incredibly racist thing to say. Your comment actually suggests that blacks willingly allow themselves to be slaves by accepting crappy housing and a meager welfare stipend in exchange for a vote?? Who on earth do you think you are to presume that these people would accept this kind of exchange? Would you?? No, I doubt it. But you seem to think that they would? How friggin condescending can people like you get? You think that they can be bought that easily? Do you really think they're that dumb? This is exactly why they won't have anything to do with your ilk. You haven't got a clue as to what you're saying and just exactly what it implies.

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Your faux outrage is duly noted.

 

My previous post listed all 20 democrat senators who stayed democrat after voting against the CRA. How is that "loose correlations"?

You on the other hand are just trolling and not providing any evidence to back up your unfounded assertions.

 

So what?? Does that make his racism more acceptable to you? Do you actually think that a person isn't a racist if he isn't in the KKK?

 

It matters what party they belong to when my basic assertion is that the democrat party has a long history of racism. In such an argument, ideology is irrelevant.

Busted! LOL

 

??? What are you talking about? The South?? I've asked you when the South was not conservative, and this is your response??

There is no such thing as the liberal South. You're making crap up that simply is not a part of reality. The South is the most conservative part of the country and it always has been. It still is. If you don't know that, then it explains your difficulty with this subject.

Be specific. You refuse to go over it point by point? You simply dismiss it without offering a single thing to object to? That tells me that you have no answers? That doesn't surprise me, because you've been turned inside out in this discussion.

 

Yeah it is. For one thing, you're in no position to judge what slavery is or isn't to African/Americans. I think they have a better idea of it than you might have. Secondly, what you're suggesting by that comment is that African/Americans as a group are simply too stupid to know that they are being enslaved. So you're assuming stereotypically that 98% of the African/American population isn't smart enough to realize that they're slaves according to you...Mr. Whitebread conservative. Like you would really know anything about it.

 

Ideology is everything...it's the reason the current Republican party is in the dire straits it's in today.

you lost me....

 

Those figures only tell a small part of the vote. These numbers tell the larger picture, and it's the picture you don't want to see. But it's true and factual.

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to (conservative) members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to (Liberal) members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%) Conservatives
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%) Conservatives. - there were no Republicans in the South
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%) (Liberal) 94%
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%) (Liberals) 85%

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor) Conservatives
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas) Conservative
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against) (Liberals) 98%
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) (Liberals) 86%

Look at the numbers. The Conservatives own the South. They always have. They do today. Name me ONE southern Senator that isn't a Conservative. Just one will do. Can you do that? No, of course not. Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Act. Conservatism opposes Civil Rights. Conservatism has real problems with Race. Racism and Conservatism are one in the same in the United States.

 

sigh, hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race.

White hispanics



Black hispanics



Asian hispanics



BTW - Zimmerman self-proclaimed he was white on the police report. Maybe that was the reason he was allowed to go home?

 

how can someone believe Obama is a Marxist, Socialist, Keyanite, Muslim, and the Messiah, from right wing blogs and conspiracy theorists, but cannot grasp facts in front of them.

 

Truman was a member of the KKK.

No it is not a lie. Read it again. Truman left because of their views on Catholics, not because of the KKK's habit of lynching blacks. What he did as President years later does not erase his history in the KKK. And again you are confirming that democrats blocked federal legislation of anti-lynching pro-civil rights legislation.

Truman was a Southern Democrat. I've listed Northern liberals who did racist things too. Thus, no connection between conservatism and racism. Conservatism has more to do with economic and individual freedom issues.

I already gave a list of 34 states that had Jim Crow laws. There were only 13 states in the Confederacy.
Are you just copying and pasting every post? Conservatives racist, Strom Thurmond...over and over. If you want to prove conservatism is racist, I'm still waiting. I am proving that the democrat party has a long history of racism.

You are misrepresenting what I said.

Truman and Byrd weren't a hundred years ago.

Yes he did. But when he was a KKK Wizard he was a democrat, not a republican.

It was Ex-President Reagan and President G.H.W. Bush.

With regard to the speech in which states rights was mentioned. First of all, the South had many so many lynchings and murders that you can't be far from any such atrocities at any time. Secondly, The states rights reference was regarding state and local financing, not civil rights. The "secret signal to white democrats racist to vote for Reagan" is a notion contrived by democrats looking to take offense and everything Reagan said.

Perhaps, but even today, democrats outnumber republicans in Louisiana.

 

Ethnicity and race are subtle issues whenever leftwingers wish to drag someone they hate through the mud. Had Zimmerman been shot by a fellow of one hundred percent Irish descent then it would have been all about that racist White guy deliberately setting out to murder that poor defenseless brown skinned Hispanic guy. You know it. I know it. The left's handling of the Zimmerman/Martin issue demonstrated it.

Why continue the pretense that leftwingers don't practice race or ethnicity baiting whenever it suits their purposes so to do? Who do you really think you are fooling? During this case the Left might as well have taken their pillow cases, cut eye holes into the cloth and then pulled the hoods over their heads. The KKK has got NOTHING on you guys and gals. Not a damn thing.

 

You've posted those stats at least 3 times and they are just as meaningless as the first time you posted them.
I think I already did name Southern Senators who are not conservatives.

Democrats: Kaine, Landrieu, McCaskill, Nelson, Pryor, Warner.

Republicans Alexander, Corker, Cornyn, Graham, McConnell.

That's only the ones I know of, there are some that also may be liberals. But what the heck, there goes your "the South are all conservatives and racists theory".

You keep making the same assertions, but when are you ever going to provide supporting evidence?