Are vaccines really effective in preventing Covid infections (and deaths)?

So who do we blame the European problem on?

 

Why do you keep insisting? You already said that you do. If you are trying to convince your colleagues on the right who disagree with you, respond to THEM. Not me. I know they got themselves into a jam by trying to deny that they work. They didn't realize it would contradict the fantasy narrative that YOU promote. But you need to address them, not me, if you are to somehow bail them out.

 

So you do think Trump causes Covid.
Just wow

 

Wonderful! So vaccines do work!

A word of caution, though. Keep your answer in mind for future threads. Because this response might come back to bite you in the ass.

 

This is the point I have been making all along, but you fail understand it.
It is more complicated than "that they work". The number of deaths has gone down considerably since January. The vaccines do reduce the symptoms. The symptoms are what kill you. However, if it is very questionable that the vaccines are reducing transmission of Covid. It appears likely that it is instrumental in increasing the transmission because a person can be infected with the virus and does not know he needs to be isolated. We are seeing an uptick in cases during the past month in some states where it should have gone down. For example, California.

 

Buffalo chips. What it means is that the hyper infectious, but not hyper deadly Delta variant spread to enough people who then survived it that enough people now have natural immunity that the disease is becoming less of a threat almost daily.

 

Therefore they work!

See? It wasn't complicated at all.

 

It depends on what you call "they work". They prevent the person who got the vaccine from dying. However, it may also increase the likelihood of someone else dying. And that is the point have been trying to make for the past two days or so.

 

No it's because Trump Supporters tend on average to be older. With age in some cases comes wisdom.

 

It's not complicated. If Covid didn't kill people, it wouldn't be a problem at all. The vaccines are meant to reduce the number. And you just said that they do. Therefore they work!

Couldn't be easier!

 

But, there is an unintended consequence. It appears to increase the spread of the virus. The deaths have gone down since January. But in some states there is a saddle in between January and today and the number of infections and deaths are starting to go back up. For instance, in California. I believe that is a direct result of the vaccinated spreading the virus.

Please explain what is happening in California.

 

I guess I missed something
“”So you think the vaccines ARE effective.””
Is your quote not mine there my liberal friend

 

What percentage of healthy people does Covid kill?

 

That's right. I had to verbalize what you expressed because, for some reason, you appear to be horrified to clearly state it yourself.

 

Exactly the same percentage of healthy people that heart disease, all types of cancer and diabetes... all put together, kill. To the very last decimal...

 

Read post #20 and please don't tell me what I did not say.... "you had to verbalize for me" wow... you are not even close my liberal friend...

How many vaccinated breakthrough cases caught Covid and did not go to the hospital?
How many unvaccinated cases caught Covid and did not go to the hospital?
Please provide us with a link to those stats.....

 

Ok. So let's cut the crap. Are vaccines the reason for the reduction in Covid deaths and hospitalizations? Answer directly and clearly. Yes or no?

Because if your answer is "yes", which is what I verbalized for you, then what the f... hell is all the rest of your bull crap about?

 

is it a coincidence?

 

"I think vaccines are available here now because of Trump... not because of Biden.. (Warp Speed)"

the reality was, Pfizer was in trials before Trump set up warp speed

Pfizer started trials in April 2020, Trump talked about creating warp speed on April 29th 2020, after the Vaccine was already created and started trials a week earlier, and warp speed was not created until 3 weeks after the vaccine first went to trials

Phase I–II Trials were started in Germany on 23 April 2020, and in the U.S. on 4 May 2020

Operation Warp Speed was active from May 15, 2020 – February 24, 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer–BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine


almost like Trump created warp speed after he heard the vaccine entered trials to try and steal some credit

 

What part of FDA regulations do you not understand?

 

They are not monitoring unvaccinated and/or vaccinated cases that are not going to the hospital or dying...Do you have a link to that data? Please share it with us.....Are unvaccinated getting Covid and getting natural immunity....you have this strange idea all unvaccinated with Covid are going to the hospital and fall over dead. Keep spinning your garbage.... Why did I get vaccinated and still get Covid.... Biden said I would not get Covid if I got vaccinated. So now I have natural immunity, not vaccine immunity.... Was the sniffle I had from allergies this spring Covid?... The CDC does not monitor all breakthrough cases.

 

Priceless!

Quoted for posterity.

 

I have seen better dodges. Bottom line, the risk is extremely low and your insistence that healthy people take the vaccine is on the wrong side of science as it denies the ability to research Covid resistant people and develop a vaccine that actually prevents catching it.

Normally, pharm companies have to pay their salespeople to go around with a rolling suitcase and hand out free pens. I am amazes me how they got people to peddle this inferior product free of charge.

 

Take the population of the U.S., and substract those who die or go to the hospital and... voila! You have the number that DON'T go to the hospital or die.

Now... of what use you think that is, I have no clue. Nor do I give a crap! But I still see you refuse to answer a simple yes or no question. Are vaccines the reason the number of dead (and hospitalized) has declined since January, yes or no!

Your refusal to answer this is clear evidence of the extent the extreme right can go to deny reality.

 

Speaking of refusing to answer a simple question, what is the percentage of risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people?