As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

That is what I said.

 

No the numbers show that they first because infected at home from others who visited the home.

 

They have no affect on transmission at all. They can affect what is transmitted indirectly. I'm tired of the 20 questions. Sorry. If you don't understand what I say then I will leave you to your own beliefs. I try to correct misinformation but those who provide the misinformation don't wanted to have it corrected.

 

Of no vaccine is not a vaccine. And the vaccine is not a vaccine.

Now you just want to play more word games.

 

Ok, it's been written here by a number of people more than once, but I am going to add my 2-cents as well because, well, I just can't tolerate bullshit, especially when said bullshit can cost human lives.

1.) We are still knee deep in a worldwide pandemic
2.) almost FIVE MILLION human beings have died from this thing.
3.) Health Care workers have been working non-stop since April 2020, almost 1.5 straight years, for some of them, with no vacation at all.

Now, to vaccines:

When the polio vaccine came out, it was only 50% effective and people were thrilled to get it, because they saw with their own eyes how debilitating the disease can be.

In 2021, we have up to 5 verifiably working vaccines that are essential in combatting the virus and helping to stomp it out. Some of them are up to 94% effective. That is a dream in comparison to the polio vaccine.

First:
1.) In many cases, I would say in the overwhelming majority of those who are vaccinated, they will not get the virus in spite of contact and precisely because of the vaccine.
2.) But no vaccine offers 100% protection, a small percentage of the vaccinated will still catch the virus.
3.) And for those vaccinated who do get the virus, their chances of getting extremely sick are small, of landing in the hospital, even smaller, and of dying from Covid-19 instead of being vaccinated, even smaller. For this reason and this reason alone it is worth it to be fully vaccinated.
4.) It is true that one can be vaccinated and still be a carrier, and for this reason, the next paragraph:

Second:
a vaccine is no substitute for all of the other standard precautions, including wearing a high-quality mask in areas where there are a lot of people congregating, washing your hands and sterilizing often used surfaces.

Those two things (vaccinations AND precautions) are supposed to go together. It's time for folks to be adult and responsible and think of more people than just themselves alone, for civilized human beings think of their neighbors.

Also, the title to this thread postulates an absolutely assinine question, one that can be answered within a matter of seconds.

The main reason why the USA is doing so far much worse than most of the rest of the world lies on the stupid idiots who refuse to get vaccinated, AND THE IDIOTS WHO SPREAD THEIR LIES AND DEATH-BRINGING PROPAGANDA. Well over all of the patients in US hospitals with Covid-19 are the unvaccinated. Over 97% of all deaths that have been happening since August 2021 in the USA are among the unvaccinated.

Seriously, it's time for all folks to be adult about this. You can't MAGA-bullshit your way out of a pandemic. It's that simple.

-Stat

 

I never said that. I asked if there IS any evidence. Learn to READ!

 

While the vaccines certainly cut down the severity of the illness by over 90%, what evidence is there that they cut down on the rate of transmission?

 

Yeah, and that person who visited the home obviously first had to become infected outside the home.

 

You're just being inconsistent. Either viral load has a direct impact on transmission or it doesn't -- it cannot be both. Either the vaccines reduce viral load, or they don't -- it cannot be both.

 

Has there EVER been a vaccine invented in your eyes?

 

One simple reason. They get sick at a much lower rate then the unvaccinated by complaints; it’s called called break through infections. Only when infected can you transmit the disease. If their infection rate is dramatically lower, they can’t infect and transmit the disease as rapidly. Really, it’s not rocket science at this point. Unvaccinated people are driving the spread with new variances being created. It’s call evolution theory / genetics, what ever you want to call it.

 

Wrong. The infection rate drops for vaccinated because so few get the disease and can transmit it. Only being infected yourself can you transmit it. What is so hard to understand ? Doctors are constantly sending infection results to the CDC through their state agencies.

 

Thanks for your contribution, but it has nothing to do with the thread.

And yet, you didn't proceed to answer it!

What do you think about how different some of the numbers from Israel are?

"As of 15 August, 514 Israelis were hospitalized with severe or critical COVID-19, a 31% increase from just 4 days earlier. Of the 514, 59% were fully vaccinated."

https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

Yes, because it's only right wingers who are unvaccinated! I guess that 70% of unvaccinated black New Yorkers are right wingers!

 

Stat! Stat, what are you smoking, man, and why aren't you sharing it?

Seriously, a woman sued and WON a settlement from McDonald's because her dumbass put a cup of coffee between her legs while driving.

You can't possibly be serious that you want these people to grow up and act like adults. You can try to click your heels three times and summon the Wizard but....spoiler alert....it's just an ordinary man behind a curtain.

 

No I'm NOT wrong! You misread what I said. I basically said, either the vaccine has an impact on transmission, or they don't -- it cannot be both.

So few vaccinated get COVID? What percentage are you thinking? It turns out that MANY vaccinated people are getting COVID, but just not getting hospitalised and dying.

 

Yes, which includes asymptomatic people.

 

I hope that you're including black people in the unvaccinated!

 

Vaccinated people in case after case have lower viral loads “during break through infects” then unvaccinated people when they are infected. . We know this because we check the unvaccinated people when come in for ventilators and die. When break through infect. which are much lower rate to begin with, complain of the disease, their loads are much lower on average and few require hospitalization.

Unvaccinated people infect at a much higher rate for these two reasons. I’m not going to produce the evidence, that’s the job of the cdc and EVERY MEDICAL RESEARCH facility in the US.

 

It comes down to race with you guys ? 12% of the country is black. So the actual number of black fools will always be less then white fools who remain unvaccinated.

 

Yes, and some of these people will be asymptomatic.

 

And your point is what ? There are asymptomatic people in the unvaccinated group running around infecting people. By we KNOW there are many more unvaccinated people with higher viral loads. We know, cause they begin to go to hospitals at much higher rates…..and die..

 

Looks like someone doesn't understand how per capita works! Let me guess -- you also think that white people commit more crime because they are 70+ % of the population!

 

Ah, yah. No one said vaccinated people can’t infect people. But that’s why EVERYONE is advised to wear a mask in public….to keep infecting. The fools who don’t believe in mask and or vaccination are causing most of the deaths now.m

 

Delta, or pre-Delta?

 

Agreed.

I'd like to see the evidence on that.