As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

Of course. Fewer virus particles available will result in fewer particles transmitted.

 

No the vaccine doesn't increase viral reproduction. In fact it helps the immune system reduce it.

 

They aren't justifiable in any way that I can determine. People who are vaccinated will benefit from the immunity to one degree or another. Whether the virus arrives by transmission from a vaccinated or un-vaccinated person is immaterial. Being un-vaccinated doesn't affect vaccinated people meaningfully.

Stop for a minute and pay attention to the fact that everything we have been doing in response to covid is ineffective. For now, the virus is in charge. Doubling down on ineffective actions doesn't even make sense from a logical perspective. People who are susceptible to severe symptoms from an infection need to stay away from other people. That, for sure, will be effective. Unfortunately it is impossible for most people;.

 

All of that makes sense to me. The increases are due to the delta strain, of course. As to your first sentence you would need to define the expected outcome. It the expected outcome is to provide something that will normally reduce the severity of symptoms, then that something is a vaccine. Other treatments might but we know vaccination does.

 

I do, but I just wanted to hear you say it

 

True. Also, a simple cold can kill someone compromised with morbidities.

 

First thing to remember about the Hospitalization number is that this represents a small percent of the population - The Obese (over 70%), and or Comorbidities, and or pneumonia succeptible.

If you don't have one of those conditions the odds of ending up in the hospital are extremely low. I see a whole lot of demonization of the un-Vaxed on the basis of the false transmission trope - filling up the hostpitals. What we see none of is blaming the Obese for filling up the hostpitals .. something that is true .. so essentially a large portion of the population is getting blamed for something they have no part in.

The discrepancy between the numbers is disconcerting - like something is wrong with the data That said .. the vax does seem to provide short term protection .. but only short term .. because the vax does not stop transmission ... it gets stronger and more able to evade the defenses .. that is one of the main problems with this treatment .. So Israel is likely a vision of our future.

This vax does not stop nor prevent transmission significantly . - what stops transmission - is when someone gets covid .. then they have high immunity .. and should not be taking the vax.

 

Yes, other than if these studies are successfully replicated that in addition to helping to protect yourself, you are also providing some imperfect protection to the folks around you. Fauci is pushing boosters, so I suspect he is seeing evidence that the doubling of death rates this Sept vs previous Sept includes a disturbing number of fully vaxxed folks that it appears caught it from other vaxxed folks.

 

This is a nasty disease. Not only can it destroy your organs, but, in addition to everything else, there is now some association with something called Restless Anal Syndrome

COVID May Cause Restless Anal Syndrome (Just When You Thought COVID Couldn’t Get Any Weirder).

No thanks.

 

If you are old with morbidities or obese you should get the shot.

 

I agree. Anyone can benefit vaccines as well. They are proven to reduce the severity of symptoms. The people who should not get vaccines, other than those with some rare issues, are those with natural immunity. For the naturally immune vaccines provide no benefit.

 

The left says so. Isn't that enough? The irony is that if the unvaccinated got tested every week in order to work, they would actually be a lot less likely than the vaccinated to spread the virus because the vaccinated get and spread the virus but would not be tested weekly.

 

- The vaccine is 95% effective (allegedly)
- Your immune system *without* antibodies is 99.98% effective


This is simple math.

 

It seems that those studies are based on pre-Delta.

 

Obese COVID patients?

You mean the hospital numbers from the US being like 95% unvaccinated, 5% vaccinated?

Yeah but for the majority of people who are vaccinated, they are protected from serious illness and death, right?

So the science says that natural immunity prevents transmission?

 

Or AT ALL?

Didn't lockdowns prevent the hospitals from getting overwhelmed?

So the sicker that someone is, the more likely that they will infect someone?

 

Yeah, but the question is whether or not the vaccines reduce viral load.

 

You haven't even listed ONE! How very telling!

 

77% of Those who show up in the Hospital are overweight or Obese- but this is not a comorbidity
97% of peopole who die have one or more comorbidities
9 out of 10 deaths from Covid - as is the case with any flue - die from pneumonia.

The discrepancy between Israeli's new numbers and ours is odd.

See above - the majority of people are protected .. vaxed or unvaxed - sans the folks in above categories Obese- Comorb- Pneumonia susceptible.

"Natural Immunity" - meaning a person that has already had covid - gives protection from infection 27 times that of the vax - whch translates to a much lower risk of transmission - and a much lower rate of mutation (cause the virus gets stopped more often) = lower rate of viruses coming up with a work-around to our immune system defenses.

 

The vaccines don't prevent serious illness for the majority who get COVID?

 

Why are you a fan of those exceptions?

 

I thought that obesity was quite a significant comorbidity for COVID actually.

Yeah but do you think that the 95% unvaccinated, 5% vaccinated hospitalisation number are accurate? It seems that this is the average. That is certainly quite different from the Massachusetts study, which found that 74% of those hospitalised were vaccinated.

I should have said, for the majority of people who are vaccinated, and who would otherwise be vulnerable to serious illness and death, they are protected from serious illness and death.

Interesting. Is this based on a study?

 

Is the cause of many comorbs -- but itself not listed as one - so when looking at states.

No .. I don't think it is accurate - and that is terribly disconserting .. lots of stories of number fudging - the whistleblowers then get punished - threatened and so on. - its messed up .. but oddly predictable.

The Authors name escapes me but never the title "Extra -Ordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" - written in the 1800's Charles Mackay .. thats it lol .. goes through various "bubbles" Tulip Bubble - in the Dutch Stock market . .. The witch burnings .. things of that nature.

The study of such things - and how to manipulate the masses was fine tuned by Edward Bernays - the founder of the modern "Public Relations" industry. Used to call it "Propaganda" prior to the war .. that word being associated with Adolf after the war - changed the name to "Public Relations multi Billion dollar industry .. got its stamp all over covid.

What I think happened -- these fkers doing this research . and was like 20 nations - different kinds of things .. and we were wanting to play too ..understandably so - and they all know what they are messing with - taking bat viruses and making them more transmissible to humans .. and then trying to develop drugs .. and they do not apologize for this - trying to save humanity they are . and make a few bucks ..

I do buy the justification to some degree - but is extremely dangerous research - on same level as nukes - and obviously biowarfare .. and should be regulated in the same way .. inspection teams .. total transparency ..

So these goblins have been creating these monsters - goblins with good intentions of course - like Fauci - who was funding this research through third party Ecohealth .. and the head of that company they put on the Wuhan investigation ... Holy double conflict of interest batman.. but I digress..

Pandora gets out of the box - and of course everyone in this area - "top secret" to some degree but not in other ways - freaks out.

Your turn to be QB --- What do you do ?

1) You call up the PR consortia - most Gov't using one of these companies in some form or another ... they the ones that help you mould your message .. the experts in "Engineering Consent" / "Manufacturing Consent" the Former Bernays .. the Later Chomsky

2) Deny Deny Deny - and discount any mention that this came out of the lab

3) Mitigate - get a treatment out there as fast as possible --- hoping that the story will go away - or not be so impactful when it does come out
4) make a whole ton of money on the treatment .. test out a new toy - an opportunity for a mass experiment - with a new kind of treatment with unknown short and long term effect

the 27 times more protected from infection .. yeah .. and if you are not infected you are not transmitting .. This is not a vaccine mate . by any stretch of the imagination .. a Vaccine stops the virus from progressing in a really high percent of the population .. like 99% .. a really high number .. and this is how herd immunity develops . is a probability game .. 50-70% vaxxed herd immunity is supposed to kick in with a proper vax.

This stuff barely reduces transmission -- folks still get sick .. just not as sick .. they are still transmitting the virus .. just at a slightly reduced rate .. rather than a "Drastically Reduced Rate" Same with folks who get Covid .. once you got it .. odds of getting it again are very low..

This is not the case with these "So Called" vaccines. They mitigate the symptoms a bit - don't stop - and don't do much to prevent transmission.
Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/del...ective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

39% is a joke - and a wake up call .. That is an obscenely low number - which is why you can find article after article - not from news outlets but from publications like "Nature" and "Science" saying how we won't reach herd immunity with these new Vaccines.

 

Deliberately released to make money?

He eventually recused himself. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ntre-pandemic-origins-debate-removed-inquiry/

QB?

Can you link the study which found that natural immunity provides 27 times more protection than the vaccine? I can't find anything at all.

I thought that vaccine efficacy was based on its efficacy of preventing serious illness of death, but I'm assuming that this is not what the 39% is referring to. That's surely got to be referring to the vaccine being 39% effective at preventing infection.

So it does prevent transmission somewhat? Do we even know THAT?

 

The antibodies reduce viral load. Vaccines help the immune system generate antibodies. It is not a question. It is a fact.