Ask a Jew Part Too; Commentary

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    The Christians changed this approach and merely opposed the sexual promiscuity enmass in public and then attacked and killed as sacrifices to god for the evil of the Romans they had been forced to neighbor with after 70AD.

    We see the patriarchs in Islam still using the Law the same way the Jews had, though.

    The mother of the Boston bombers saw her handsome and intelligent two sons being seduced by the culture in America, which threw her into a panic.
    She became "radicalized" in the sense that she revert to the Laws (Sharia = Torah).
    She presented her sons with the nun-like appearance that the Christian women donned in 303-313AD, but she preached such hatred of the sluts her sons where attracting and tempted by that they acted violently as a show of compliance and adherence to the tenets of the Sex Prudence the mother insisted was Gods way.

    America will see more of this cultural reaction as Muslims come to America and see the wide open sexual behaviors.
    They will do what Malcolm X was doing,... use force to oppose the Big Satan Culture.
    What the Christians need do is what Martin Luther King did, and show Malcolm X that peaceful resolution is the way to change society for the good.

    Christians must enmass and sit-in especially at politicians homes and offices.
    They need use the Abortion Issue and the trial in Philadelphia now on going to insist that the sexual promiscuity be censored and the American people understand the destruction of the family means the destruction of the country.

    The Muslim mother was only trying to "save" her sons from the evil women, but it is also a step in the direction of saving the nation.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    If only, we could be moral enough and perhaps holy enough to pray for true love and perform true love rituals at a temple dedicated to a goddess of Love.
     
  3. Moishe3rd

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    My use of the words "morally right" is probably not correct. It is certainly imprecise on my part.

    I've been trying to research this idea but, I cannot come up with a good source and explanation so, I am going to have to research further until I do.
    One concept, (which is again imprecise and does not answer your question) is that G-d is actually the one who "kills" the guilty individual.
    There is a punishment called "kares" which literally means that G-d cuts the individual off from G-d but, also means that G-d, Himself "kills" the individual for his crime.
    As such, kares is a clearly defined penalty but, there is no Court of Law that convicts; it is all up to Hashem.
    So too with the actual death penalty enacted by a Court of Law. Considering the difficulty involved, it is really only G-d who can convict and punish.
    Basically, the concept is that G-d decides who lives and who dies and that individual Man can never be "morally right?"... "justified?'... I don't know... in killing someone except through the Will of G-d.
    Still not a good explanation. I shall try and see if I can come up with better....
     
  4. Marlowe

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    How does this measure ?

    ""While the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is known for protecting Israel, it is also an indirect promoter of abortion. During a girl's two-year mandatory service she is allotted at least two free abortions. If, however, she decides to keep her baby she is immediately dismissed from the army without any benefits or severance pay."

    Abortions in 2008

    Government statistics show nearly 20,000 babies were aborted in Israel in 2008. Pro-life groups believe the number is closer to 50,000 – up to a quarter of the babies conceived in Israel each year.

    "Two million babies have been killed through abortion in Israel alone. Two million," Be’ad Chaim director Sandy Shoshani told CBN News.

    Abortion is legal and paid for by the state-funded medical system if approved by a government committee for any of the following reasons:

    • The mother is under the age of 17 or over 40.
    • The pregnancy is the result of rape, incest or even adultery.
    • The health of the mother or baby is in danger.

    Ninety-nine percent of women who apply are granted an abortion.


    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2010/April/Israeli-Pro-Life-Group-Helps-Women-Cope/

    L' Chaim ?
     
  5. Felicity

    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you. That's why I like to discuss too--learning, of others and self.

    Catholics also believe in an eternal soul, but not eternal in the sense that God is eternal (is it offensive to you not to use the dash for the "o"?--if so I will respect that and refrain). We believe the soul comes into being at conception, as I said, but from there it exists forever after.
     
  6. Marlowe

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    I'm neutral - best we dont drag any deities into it.

    I dont see anything immoral/criminal abt terminating pregnancies when its accepted with a society.
    IMO - their are benefits - for strters an affective method of population control .

    China's one child policy worked well enough but - which I'm sorry to learn they are abandoning .

    So , get yourselves ready for another CHINESS GREAT (population ) -- LEAP FORWARD .

    Hail Chairman Mao " (wink)

    ...
     
  7. Marlowe

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    Sorry Moishe - that sounds like gobbledegook to me - trying to explain the inexplicaable . . AFAI can tell, is - Birth -Life and DEATH. - same rule applies - all life forms - universally.

    "Oh, threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
    One thing at least is certain--This Life flies;

    One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;
    The Flower that once has blown forever dies
    One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;

    ( Persian Poet Omar K.)

    ..
     
  8. Moishe3rd

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    Yes or no?
     
  10. Moishe3rd

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    The Jewish calendar year is 5773. Which is dated from the time of Creation that Man; Adom and Chava; was Created.
    The simple answer to your question is that G-d's Time is not Man's Time.

    Psalm 90:
    [TABLE="class: Co_TanachTable, width: 100%"]
    [TR="class: Co_Verse"]
    [TD] 4. For a thousand years are in Your eyes like yesterday, which passed, and a watch in the night.[/TD]
    [TD="class: Co_Spacer"] [/TD]
    [TD="class: hebrew, align: right"]ד. כִּי אֶלֶף שָׁנִים בְּעֵינֶיךָ כְּיוֹם אֶתְמוֹל כִּי יַעֲבֹר וְאַשְׁמוּרָה בַלָּיְלָה:[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: Co_Verse"]
    [TD]5. You carry them away as a flood; they are like a sleep; in the morning, like grass it passes away.[/TD]
    [TD="class: Co_Spacer"] [/TD]
    [TD="class: hebrew, align: right"]ה. זְרַמְתָּם שֵׁנָה יִהְיוּ בַּבֹּקֶר כֶּחָצִיר יַחֲלֹף:[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: Co_Verse"]
    [TD]6. In the morning, it blossoms and passes away; in the evening, it is cut off and withers.[/TD]
    [TD="class: Co_Spacer"] [/TD]
    [TD="class: hebrew, align: right"]ו. בַּבֹּקֶר יָצִיץ וְחָלָף לָעֶרֶב יְמוֹלֵל וְיָבֵשׁ:[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    The simple explanation is that the First Six Days of Creation are of G-d's Time - which can be any Time according to G-d.

    Using Torah sources, Rabbi Isaac ben Samuel of Acre, who lived in the 14th century, calculated that the universe was 15 billion years old...
     
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    So the 1st 6 days is basically 15B calender years in the making?
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not?
     
  13. Marlowe

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    That's what I've learnt . (wink) from , TRue Torah Jews , who're opposed to Zionism and the creation of the Zionists entity which is today called "Israel" by atheistic/godless- so-called "Jews"

    A few years I was sitting on a North London bus and saw a demonstration similar
    to this : after which I realized that all Jews are not Zionists . and most so-called "Jews" are non-observent

    [video=youtube;On1nEy8H6UM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On1nEy8H6UM[/video]
     
  14. Moishe3rd

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    I understand that you have difficulties but, as sometimes you are almost civil, I will give you the benefit of the doubt just to inform you, on the very remote chance that you are not fully cognizant of the difference - the Neturei Karta are Not "True Torah observant Jews."
    If, indeed, those are the videos you keep on posting. I don't really know because I don't watch them.
    However, in your addled state of wanting to join them in the fringe asylum, you would do better posting some videos of Ahmanutjob or Arafat the Rotting. There are people who actually believe in those lunatics as opposed to nobody who believes in the lunacy of the Neturei Karta.
    FYI.
     
  15. Marlowe

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    Moishe Its not about me , do you think you can try sticking to the topic under discussion, ?
    Why should I believe you - a faceless poster calling himself Moishe and not them ?
    who are'nt afraid to face cameras ?

    In Brooklyn New York also in Jerusalem

    [video=youtube;i0g9ZCqQj74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0g9ZCqQj74[/video]
     
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    Why dont you watch the videos - are you afraid to learn anything opposed to whatever you've been indoctrinated to believe ?


    "

    I dont know abt you , even at my age I still enjoy the learning process . - gaining knowledge , getting the facts , ditching + countering the lies I've been told , - every day (wink)
    btw Neturei Karta are not the only ones - I've come across many other Anti-Zionists - observent and non-observent secular Jews who dare to speak against the hi-jacking of Judaism and the injustices perpetrated against non-Jewish Palestinians.


    ... cheers.


    ...
     
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    Then you would do better to post those encounters with your theoretical "anti-Zionist" "observant" Jews who "speak against the hi-jacking of Judaism" than to focus your attentions on ten or fifteen addled folk of the lunatic fringe of Satmar (which is also "anti-Zionist" but, which has totally repudiated the Neturei Karta).
    If you focus on lunatics, why would anyone presume that you "enjoy the learning process?"
     
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    The Hebrew word used for "day" is not necessarily 24 hours, but can infer a duration of any length appropriate to he way the context is to be understood.
    In addition to this fact, we read specifically, that the 24 hour day comes into existence in the 4th "duration" of the seven "days."
    During that 4th duration, Gen 114, we read that God makes the Sun the authority over the Solar clock.

    Hence, it is no stretch to understand that the History of the Earth as marked and recorded in the six eras of the Geological Rock Layers corresponds directly with the six "days" of creation specified and described with analogous events in each of the six eras.



    1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

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    2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

    3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

    4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

    5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

    6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

    7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day
     
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    But I have told you repeatedly that the Jews in Israel are genetically shown to be related directly to the Jews who were forced out by the same Europeans who returned them in 1948.

    And, I have told you that there are numerous Palestinians who agree that Jordan is the State they ought annex to the West Bank, which was what the British intended. They counter the foolish Jews who will not accept a secular political establishment of an Israel simply because they misunderstand scripture.


    Zeh 7:14 But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations whom they knew not. Thus the land was desolate after them, that no man passed through nor returned: for they laid the pleasant land desolate.

    Now that the Jews are back in Israel, the de facto work of God as he stated has prophetically taken place:

    Zech 8:2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.

    3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.
     
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    The New Testament reference to pigs in 32AD tells that the Jews had become secular and sexually promiscuous, trading the favors of their women with the soldiers.
    This is the always the condition of a culture, matriarchic, when it falls to the invading patriarchs, like Rome.
    It is true that in the city where the pigs ran off the cliff, a large rich Roman population lived, and the pigs were being raised to sell to them.

    But the fact remains that the Jews were so decadent by this time that for money, they would provide the pork, and many most likely tasted it.
     
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    Is there any real reason, other than a seeming "whim" for the injunction against a certain kind of animal? Dominion over every other animal on Earth was supposed to be a "mandate".
     
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    G-d commands the Jews certain positive commandments to perform and certain negative commandments from which they should refrain.
    In His Torah, G-d explains the reasons for some Commandments and, for others, He does not.
    We are encouraged to try and understand why G-d Commands us to do or not do certain things.
    However, the most important thing is that we do what G-d Commands us to do, whether we understand it or not.
    Kosher and non Kosher animals appear to fall under this edict.
    We only eat certain animals because G-d said so and, we do not eat others because G-d said so...
    There are many ways to speculate as to why we do this but, the bottom line is - because this is what G-d Commands us to do...
     
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    Sorry , Its poppycock there are many you dont share your believe . The so-called genetic DNA evidence is highly suspect. Who was the genetists ? Who funded their study ?

    He who pays the piper calls the tume. You might be prepared to swallow so-called "genetic " reports intended to support Political land claims - but dont expect me to join you. I remain unconvinced.

    While I might be prepared to accept that a minority European Jews can be linked to the Levant/Palestine - imo - after 2k years , hmmmmm. No way can all Askenazim/+ others of Khazar descent claim to be descending from biblical/mythical "Israelites" -

    No matter how many biblical quotes you point out, it wont make a scrap difference to Jews with an insatiable demand for more land and Palrestinians who are fighting for their legitimate rights - a settlement for the injustices of being displaced/dispossessed from their ancestral lands.
     
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    Oh my dear Moishe - who told you what your G^d is supposed to have commanded you to do . ?

    When I was a child - I believed everything people told me - I prayed like a child , apart from the comfort I felt , I did not hear a reply from whoever I was praying to.

    But if whatever you believe, makes you feel good , - that's O.K.

    For now , I'll remain unconvinced + wont be joining you. (wink)

    ......
     
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    What about the "original sin" of eating from the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? A lack of perfect knowledge could be considered a form of vice, from that perspective and alternative.
     

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