"Atheism Produces Evil on Incredible Levels"

No.
The Unconscious mind is inaccessible by men, but can and do speak to whom it so chooses.

This is the source of later judgement of people which is coming,... coming when we all evolve such as to gain access in the next evolution to come.

But I wonder how you can still talk the things you say on these posts when you see that half of the Americans born today are bastards.
You answered me back a few days ago, and said we have condoms and pills.

Safe Sex method are available, so the hell with half the nation deciding on Welfare, unprotected sex, and 50% of the population being bastards now.

Do you consider your "Humanist" point of view to be realistic as the child abuse and then the violent crime arises with such a situation???[/B
Do your "humanists" speak against unprotected sex and Welfare here?
I only see and hear myself, so I assume your "humanism" is NOT what Paul and Maslow explained.

 

Even if what you say here was true,..

You ignore what religious people say about bastards rising up and destroying a nation with their violent crime as single mothers on enormous Welfare payments are having half the babies in America as illegitimate.

That seems to speak badly for you, and anyone who agrees with anything you say against religion.
Doesn't it??

 

Reality is perfect.
Living things must learn to adapt to "Him" or become extinct.

You seem to have the idea backwards.
You believe humans can have sexual promiscuity because it feels good, and the hell with Families as the basis for human survival.

Do YOU even believe that Family is the basis for human civilization???

 

I think we BOTH agree that Jihadists like Amjen Choudary living on welfare, while preaching overthrow of democracy by Sharia, is something that should be looked into.

 

A good, close family, can certainly be a virtue, and I personally value that in my own life, a lot. But I don't hate my "bastard" half-sister.

1. Do you feel it would be highly beneficial if atheists were taught, on an on-going basis, by the best teacher of all, the proper morals, as you see them?
2. If "yes" to #1 above, then can we agree that it would be highly beneficial if Jesus, today, could discover his compassion and come down and teach us immoral atheists the proper morality, and like a good teacher continue to teach us on a regular basis, growing with the times?

 

I've seen the Willaim Lane Craig videos and they contain no evidence what-so-ever and your two and half hour video of pseudo scientific nonsense contains zero evidence as well. If you can present it in bulk without going into detail I can rebut it in bulk without going into detail. I asked you to give me just one detailed piece of evidence we could discuss and you refuse to do so, your fear isn't being hidden as well as you might think.

What? Are parents bound by the same laws as the children they create? As for the second part you have completely changed the question and the answer. I am bound to same laws as the piece of paper as is everything else that exists in nature. Now try again, why would something have to be the opposite of what it created?

So the universe doesn't need a creator, got it, doesn't help the God claim but theists arguments are what they are.

Well following your logic you create something that is timeless by not being timeless , duh. "You can't create something while simultaneously being bound by its laws", remember?

Never said it couldn't be, I asked you why it had to be which invalidates your answer.

Again you can not argue your own position you rely on making people watch videos instead, kind of makes an educated person wonder just how educated their adversary is. God fits the description of the creator of the universe as well as any other mythological character one can imagine. In this way my hyper intelligent firecracker fits in just as well if not better because I haven't tried to give this creator attributes and desires and is therefore a much more refined explanation.

 

Are you also saying that your hyper intelligent firecracker won't brutally torture us for, say, putting our wee-wee into the wrong orifice, or carving certain images, and other real real real important stuff like a particular "god" that I could mention does? If not, then I'm starting to really like this firecracker of yours, and he seems more sane than the other guy.

 

The issue s not whether you hate your half sister.

The issue is whether you encourage the women to be promiscuous, without marriage, and see WeLfare become 50% of the births today.

 

No,...
A good close family by the citizens is a NECESSITY.

Civilization does NOT exist for long with just bastards being born, as we see in America today.

 

So if I could (humor me here, I know I'm sounding crazy!) mention a dozen or so very successful, very helpful to society, people you'd say that bastards are not as bad as you believe?

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I "liked" this post, as I do prefer to see children, ideally, be produced in a committed relationship - whether that be gay couples or whatever. Yet another reason to allow legal gay marriages.

Can you answer #1 and #2 in the post above that?

 

Yes,...
Reality DOES punish sexual promiscuity.

Reality punishes with violent crime rising, high Taxes for Welfare, Child Abuse, the need for killing first babes with 1.2 million annual abortions, spread of HIV/AIDS/STD, dangerous inter-cities, etc.

 

Legal Gay marriages can adopt the very kids which they encourage single mothers to have through promiscuity.
Gays and Straight sexually active and clearly obvious people create the fatherless problems which threaten society.

 

If you READ the "stats" on what happens to illegitimate babes, and yet try to say that some others do fine, so there is no problem you are wrong.


CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals A Report on the State of High Schools).
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).

These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison

Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:

15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
24.3 times more likely to run away
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
10.8 times more likely to commit rape
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes

Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**

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http://www.cato.org/publications/con...-state-crime-0

 

Not really. At least, in my opinion, religion is only a tool through which people try to satisfy their greed, ambitions, frustrations, and sadisms. People do it through politics, philosophy, pseudo or real sciences, etc. The people who like to heckle religious people rarely notice how much they contribute to the problem as well.

 

Any god that could have created the universe, is much too incomprehensible to be put down on stone, or paper. The idea of that is just so utterly absurd.
A book could in no way possible ever contain the creator of the universe. In fact, such a thing would be so far beyond the ability of the brain to understand, using thought, that any attempt at this would be a grand waste of time and energy.

So every book ever written about a creator of the universe is just man's imagination. And we have very creative imaginations. And we then believe in what we ourselves created. That is the ludicrous side of (*)(*)(*)(*) hitting the fan there!

So, if the creator does exist, no book could hold him, and nothing that the brain could say would be true. But people cannot see this simple fact. But one thing should be clear. If the creator does exist, it certainly is not what all of these religions have tried to form images, and make it out to be. For we have made him in our own image, with the vengeance, the wrath, the demand to be loved, the jealousness, which is all so absurd. Man has created these gods in their own petty images, with their own natures, and then made him into a superman, literally. It is all so childish. With the command, to love me, or I shall burn your ass in hell for all of eternity. Why sane being would believe in such rubbish? Only the people who love their own egos so much, that they cannot suffer the idea of that image, created by thought, coming to an end at the death of the body, that's who.

The best thing we could so, is to be an atheist in the name of god. That might work out better. Or at least stop forming these infantile images of something that if it exists, the brain could never form an accurate image. As soon as you form an image, you just went all stupid.

Yet if man can transcend this illusion called the ego, that entity created by thought, then there is no need to believe in gods. For there is no reason to do so. But most of us want something. We want to live forever, and not die. And to those people? Hell, you can sell any kind of god you can come up with, for they are fearful, and will believe in anything that takes away some of the fear. And that is why there are so many religions and gods.


In so far as you last statement, god is not real.....it really depends upon what you mean by god. The god of the organized religions is not real, but Consciousness is very real, and that is the only god that I have had for years. But I do not believe in it, as a theist believes in his god. Instead of believing in Consciousness, as one would believe in some exterior god, I am Consciousness, and so are you and every other living thing. And that is as real as a god can get.

Consciousness is Fundamental, but not ego consciousness, which is just the movement of memory, but rather, the background from which ego consciousness manifests, as the universe is manifested from this same Consciousness. We are all of this One Mind, but because of the ego, we think we are separate. We are not. As many of the founders of quantum mechanics also thought and as some today also think.

 

Besides Religion,...

...who else says sexual promiscuity creates enormous Welfare?

...who else says high violent crime rates come from fatherless bastards raised by single mothers?

...who else says that fatherless kids suffer enormous Child Abuse?

...who else says sexual promiscuity fills the cities with bastards making them dangerous places?

...who else says that single kids ruin schools?

...who else says that jails fill up with bastard kids more than on any other nations.

... who says...

 

So because I, as an educated adult, are so much more intellectually advanced as, say, a 3 year old, then we should not try to educate 3 year olds, IN LANGUAGE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, the stuff we know. Just like god could do his best to explain to us mere mortals IN LANGUAGE THAT WE UNDERSTAND - no an infinitely-knowing god could not explain it all to us humans, but he could sure do a better job than the Bible/Qur'an which tell us nonsense like women are worth 1/2 a man, and that beating one's slave is totally acceptable (if they die after 1 or 2 days.)

 

Getting people in touch with reality, with science, with intellectual consistency, with reason (vs. superstition, etc.), with the rules of evidence, etc. is a noble pursuit....big picture it might be the noblest of all pursuits. I wish I was better at it.

 

Again, I remind you that treatment of Slaves is a good thing for the Bible to talk about.

In India, even now, slaves exist.
Slavery is just one of the twelve different economic systems of distribution.
I also inform you that women equally abuse their husbands, si these childish appeals for emotional support are ineffective ideas to fault Religion.

BUT, teaching your 3 year old to be sexually moral, and demonstrating, by your own conduct, too, is an education which religion suggests and you oppose.

 

These are all things which an objective mind can see, by simple observation. Granted, religion has it codes against this societal damaging behavior, but even an objective atheist can see these things as well. But objectivity is tough, for we are all conditioned beings, and if we are conditioned not to see what objectivity shows, we cannot of course see this.

I mean take something like the religious law not to steal from others. An objective mind can see that if someone steals what the other person has, this created animosity and conflict. A society where this goes on regularly will be a society in great disorder. And at one time, when humanity existed as tribes, the minimalization of conflict, which is disorder was very desirable, for the entire tribe collectively is what provided for its survival. And so life is hardwired to survive, and being so, when it takes a tribe to survive, you want that tribe to be healthy inwardly, for otherwise it might come apart. All of those laws in the 10 commandments if followed, would provide for a healthy tribe, so that man could survive.

 

Yes, the Hindu texts approve of slavery....so they are no more moral than Islam or Christianity.
I wonder if blatant approval of slavery is found in the texts of Modern Secular Humanism, such as in a Sam Harris book? Or is Sam more moral than Jesus/Moses/Mohammad?

 

But when I show you the scientific facts, about bastard kids who are abused and then become our social misfits and violent criminals,... all you say is, Gay marriage is still fine?"

 

That god you speak of, that would talk to humans, in language they could understand does not exist. You are doing the same thing the religions do, in thinking that god is gonna talk to man, in language he can understand. I do not believe in such a god, why do you? LOL

All of this stuff about god talking to men, and all the rest of it, is just imagination, written down, later to be believed. It's all rubbish. What is not rubbish is consciousness. For we all have it. Personally I feel, that is where the answers are, but one has to inquire there, and forget all of those books, filled with imagination.

 

The Bible reports on slavery with full knowledge it is NOT bad, but some masters are.

You are using the Black slavery which was forced as the emotional appeal here, and it doesn't make slavery wrong.

 

You are right, as usual. No I don't believe in him, but IF he existed he would be this evil that I always speak of...so he's either evil, or doesn't exist, so either way he's not worth worshipping.