"Atheism Produces Evil on Incredible Levels"

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  1. lizarddust

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    Rules actually.

    I'm surprised I have to seriously explain this to you.. Very surprised. Amazed even.
     
  2. Qchan

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    The way you reason could explain why atheists in the regimes I've mentioned in the OP killed so many people. MOD EDIT - Rule 3. I think atheism is more dangerous than any religion.

    Richard Dawkins believes that atheists should mock people of religion. Not a single atheist condemned his words on this forum. That's proof enough that these 50+ atheists in these regimes were able to get their way in killing huge swaths of people.
     
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    I asked a Paraguayan woman.

    She gave me a hat!
     
  4. TheImmortal

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    Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
    In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
    This Hubal was a moon god.
    One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
    About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
    The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
    "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
    There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
    When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
    Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
    Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
    Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.
     
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    They can claim they're flying purple dinosaurs that shoot fire out of their eyes and lightning bolts out of their buttholes. That doesn't make it true.
     
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    Christianity roots are paganism. Why is christmas Dec 25? Paganism.
     
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    That's not even remotely the same thing. Christianity's roots come from Judaism. Hence we follow the same God. The date of Christmas was appropriated to make it more palatable for pagans to accept christianity.
     
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    You're not the only one who can copy/paste.

    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

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    Christians believe in a man-god. That's as pagan as it gets.
     
  9. TheImmortal

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    Jesus never claims to be god. In fact he explicitly denied it. You cannot blame the religion for the actions of people who do not follow what it teaches.

    As far as your link it doesn't refute the claim that Allah is a moon God. It attempts to take evidence that was provided and interpret it differently all while at least 5 or 6 times stating that "yes it can be interpreted as a moon God but it can also be interpreted as not a moon God."

    Where theres smoke there's fire. If you only had one piece or a couple pieces of evidence linking Allah and the moon God, you might have an argument. But there are hundreds. They can't all be interpreted away just because you and other muslims don't like the truth.
     
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    So what you are saying is that Jesus was simply a man, yes? Islam agrees.

    Sorry, but what lying Christian missionaries have to say about Islam (and boy do they lie about Islam) is inconsequential. "Allah" is simply the word for God, and it is used by Christians and Muslims alike. More so, the crescent symbol is an Ottoman invention. Anyone with a basic knowledge of Islam knows God is not a moon-god, lol.
     
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    Who cares what Islam agrees with? They also agree with satanism because they both feel if you get attacked you have every right to commit violence against those people. And they explicitly disagree with Jesus Christ who says you do NOT have that right.

    As far as your ridiculous second paragraph... It's not about what christian missionaries say. It's about the historical record and facts that muslim lies cannot change no matter how much they dislike it. And boy does the historical record reflect exceedingly poor upon Islam.

    You have no idea what you're talking about. The crescent moon as symbology has been used far more extensively than just by the Ottoman Empire and they didn't invent it. Don't be obtuse.
     
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    Christmas was never celebrated on the 25th December until recently, but the Christ Mass was.
     
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    Well, technically he does - but he differentiates himself from God the Father. Jesus was able to forgive people from sins (John 8:10-11 & Mark 2:5-7). The bible says only God can do that (Psalm 32 and Romans 4:5).
     
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    That's simply not an accurate representation. Jesus explicitly tells you in that chapter that God GAVE him the ability to do those things. God can give that ability to anyone he so chooses. If he wants to give you the ability to do so then you will have that ability.
     
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    Uh-huh, and I'm sure you'll turn the other cheek when a bunch of hoodlums threaten your family.

    So do you worship Jesus or not? Is he the son of God or not?

    What a joke; the individual who came up with this bogus narrative was himself a lying Christian missionary, and his nonsense has been peddled by Christians ever since. You people are the only ones who believe in it, lol.

    The major point is that it originated in the Middle Ages.
     
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    Yes he's the son of God. That doesn't make him God though.

    No it wasn't invented lol. It was OBSERVED. Someone took the evidence and came to a conclusion. A logical conclusion that agrees with the evidence. Whereas the Muslim narrative does not.

    Doesn't matter when it became popular. It was used because it was the symbolism for the predecessor of Allah after the liar Muhammad made up his bs religion and got kicked out of Mecca for being an insane derelict.
     
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    So what you are saying is that God had a son. Pure paganism.

    Yes, "observed" by some random Christian apologist, and peddled by anonymous Christian bloggers. Meanwhile, both Islamic and secular scholars disagree with this man's narrative.

    So Muhammad was lying when he taught that there is only one God, and that people should submit to him? If you think that is the case, then you probably side with the pagans who kicked him out of Mecca because of his preaching.

    Anyway, there is no evidence whatsoever for your assertion. You'll have to get it through your head that Allah is simply the Arabic word for God.

     
  18. TheImmortal

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    No JESUS stated he was the son of God. Not me.

    The crescent symbol appears in flags attributed to Tunis from as early as the 14th century (Libro de conoscimiento), long before Tunis fell under Ottoman rule in 1574. So your continual attempts to blame the Ottoman Empire fall flat.

    Of course Muslim scholars disagree with it because they want to attempt to ride the coat tails of a successful religion and attempt to bring validation to their stupidity by claiming a relationship to real religions. Unfortunately for them their claims are not backed up by the evidence whereas Allah being the moon God is.

    No Mohammad was a liar because he claimed God spoke to him and told him of this new religion. This being after Jesus warned us of charlatans like Muhammad.

    Further, just because early Islam didn't use it doesn't mean their fake God wasn't derived from a moon God in a pantheon of gods. For instance, the cross was not used until WELL after Jesus. But to claim it came from something else and not the crucifixion because it wasn't used until later is patently absurd.
     
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    Islam roots are from Judaism. It is why their God is the God of Abraham.
    Yes, the created a date to get pagans to join. Hence it has roots in paganism. Same with Ishtar/Easter.

    You're trying to tell a muslim you know his religion and its roots better than him?
     
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    So now your claim is 90+% or so of christians, really aren't christians because they believe in the trinity. Only a very few who have the decoder ring are true christians. Heck, heaven will be a very lonely place.
     
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    But christianity wasn't founded on the Christmas date or holiday. What are you talking about. That didn't happen until hundreds of years later.

    And yes I am telling him because the historical evidence points to Allah being the moon god.
     
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    Sure it was. It may have been a small cult before that, but it blossomed after taking a pagan festival and making it christian.
    Then the romans made it state law.

    No, muslim haters made that up. Guillable fools fall for it. To dismiss islam is to dismiss part of Gods revelation to mankind. Kind of what satan followers would do.
     
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    It doesn't matter what 90% of Christians believe. If they contradict the doctrines of Jesus then they're not following christianity. That's simply basic logic.

    As far as heaven being lonely that is absolutely correct. Jesus told you, "enter by the narrow path for wide is the path and broad is the way which leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it. But narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life and there are FEW who find it."

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    But it was already started. So their appropriation of a pagan celebration had nothing to do with its founding.
     
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    Well, my assumption is that you not believe in the Trinity. Am I correct in assuming this?
     
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    Well I do but probably not in the same way you do. But no I don't believe it's referring to God the son.
     

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