Attempting to understand Islam

maybe.

ex smokers are often the most strident in their condemnation of smoking.

I base my opinion on sources which are more neutral, and on lived experience which includes regular contact with real muslims, who originate from a number of different countries, and experience in muslim countries among real muslims.

to me, muslims are pretty much like everyon else.

I have met more loopy christians and agnostics ... but then .. I have had more to do with christians and agnostics over my whole lifetime, so that isn't surprising.

 

I'm probably ahead of you on that one

 

Go into a Catholics home and youll see images, statuettes, photos of Mother Mary everywhere, even photos of the Pope, but
occasionally a statuette of Christ on a Cross...

 

Yes, and smoking will kill you, therefore the testimonials should be pretty much truthful, otherwise, whats the point...
My point was that if something is bad enough to condemn, and its reinforced by world opinion, then the proof is there...
I have met a lot of radical religious nutcases, and they are all brainwashed fools....
I once met a young lad of 18 who was a wonderful lad with a great future in his career...he then gave it all away
to go on a Morman mission for two years....he came back and joined the dole queue...sad...brainwashed youth...

 

not necessarily.

I grew up in a catholic home and didn't have all that paraphenalia. but in places where you do see these images, it still isn't the same as worship.

any more than having a photo of the queen in my primary school classroom meant that we worshipped the queen.

In some, usually more traditional contexts, the use of images, or referring to certain figures with reverence or respect is the norm.

but it doesn't mean that those figures are worshipped.

 

Wash your mouth out with soap..........and say 100 hail marys......

 

I am not talking about testimonials. I am talking about how ex smokers are often quite strident in their views about these things.

often the most strident critics of any religions are also ex members. you also get "refuseniks" in politics.

I have over the years had plenty to do with people of many different beliefs, and in my experience there is a continuum. most believers of any faith just happen to be members of that faith (and for many it serves a purpose that is benign ... and may have benefits to the individual), then by degree you get people who are more religious, and the more so, the more difficult it is to have a conversation without God (or Allah) being brought in as a reference point, and the more likely it is that those people will try to impose their beliefs on you.

It is a relatively small group who use their religion as a weapon, but usually where this happens there are other factors at play as well. At present - due to various historical, political and economic factors, this is more likely (at least on an interface with the western world) with Islam ... but it may not always be like that.

The mormon boy may well bounce back - he may have learned something from his foray into missionary work.

 

that they waved goodbye to them at Alex as they sailed off to the chosen land................

 

lols ... I have forgotten how to!

but I don't think growing up catholic was all that harmful for me. I see a lot of good in catholicism.

and contrary to popular opinion I don't think catholics are any more consumed with guilt than many other people ...

 

would calling Jews Joooos be considered anti semitic?

kind of like H Bendor etc calling Muslims Mooooslims

 

Because the video and cartoons depict Muhammad (pbuh), not Allah SWT. It's quite simple.

No Muslim can worship Muhammad (pbuh), that's against the primary teaching of Islam.

Based on your most recent posts, I don't think you have any desire to actually attempt to understand Islam in the least bit.

 

well one thing you will have learned today

if you are genuinely interested in learning about Islam and you post on this forum you will be 100% guaranteed that our resident non Muslim clowns will start their circus act on every thread you make

there are athiests here who are far more respectful to others rights to belief than half the Christian and Jewish clowns you see on the threads here


The clowns will fill pages with the same old boring, repetitive, factually wrong, robotic trash.

I dont know the answer for you to learn more, except to put all those clowns on ignore and then at least you dont have to read their daily trash as it wont be visible except when someone quote their posts.

 

I'm sorry, but... did you expect people who leave a faith - of all things - to say good things about their previous faith?

And how easy would it be for me to send one of those websites an e-mail saying I am an apostate and Islam is this and that? Or making a video saying it? These types of websites are suspect at best. Especially since most of them are on anti-Islamic or Christian missionary websites.

As if they have no agenda or bias.

 

I see you are 19...

 

You need to avoid the Islam hate sites and many posters here.

Muslims do not worship the prophet Mohammed PBUH. That is totally haram/forbidden.
Your first step should be understanding the real meaning of the Arabic words like Muslim and Islam not from the clowns here but from Arabic speaking Muslims or scholars who can be non Muslim.

Islam is not a man made ideology it is an Arabic word that means submission.

 

Just put the clowns on ignore and then you will get back the interest

their job is to try to make you lose interest so you become as dumb as they are

 

don't worry about OJLebs age

he has more sense and is more mature than many on the forum

 

Well, after much research, I see that we have several "splinter" groups of muslims, including
Sunni and Shia, sub groups in each, as well as, wait for it, Islamic Militia groups...
If we are to have any chance of peace, then the militia has to be "stopped'
Who is going to do that....the muslims I guess....I feel most of the problems in
Karachi have been caused by the Islamic Militia.....but thats just my opinion....
I dont suppose theres much chance of sunni and shari joining forces....no I dont think so....

 

I guess you also need to look at the origins of these Islamic militia, and what factors have contributed, and are contributing, to the spread of these extremist ideologies.

 

If you do some more research you might find that the ''Islamic militia groups'' evolved to defend their countries from foreign invaders. And that the US and it's allies were largely responsible for setting them up in the first place, because at that time the foreign invaders were the Russians.

It's unreasonable to expect them to stop defending their countries, just because the foreign invaders are now us.

Dusty

 

Well, if thats the case the US has f1cked up....

 

It sure has. But consider how much it has benefited US and British corporations, and how much the US and UK governments represent their people, as opposed to their corporate interests.

It's similar to Israel having encouraged the creation of Hamas. It means they get to divide the Palestinians, and can use the fact that Hamas fires rockets at Israel to paint Palestinians as terrorists, thereby ensuring public opinion remains against them. They use it as an excuse for not making peace, which allows them to continue to steal Palestinian land. This suits the religious element and ensures the Israeli regime has their support. Seemingly, the lives of a few Israelis are worth it, to the Israeli regime.

Dusty

 

And Americans wonder why they are despised and pitied in equal measure. Despised for their idiotic, misplaced arrogance, and pitied for their stupidity.

 

Every faith is man-made. Why would you think any different?

 

And a (*)(*)(*)(*) sight brighter than the ignorant crap you post! Age doesn't automatically confer wisdom...