Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact

Ahh there was another person under arrest in the van who did not report any unusual driving but did report that Grey was making a rukus on the other side of the dividing wall.

And remember the "beyond a reasonable doubt" here. The autopsy is FULL of reasonable doubt.

 

Incorrect. 4 states had slaves and did not secede. Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware. While New Jersey technically outlawed slavery, they still allowed slaves. So I give it a .5. So 4.5 states that were slave states, did not secede.

 

The other person was not in the van for most of the ride, and entered after when it is speculated that the injury occurred.

Injury occured when his head was slammed against a wall in the police van. Are you saying that people being slammed into wall so hard to cause death in a police van is normal, if the van was not in any accident?

I admit there is speculation here, and the trial is what matters... But the police supporters, like yourself, who think that it is fine to put healthy people in a police van and for them to die after being taken out bruised, bloody and with a broken neck, are the one who are don't have facts on their side.

 

And at the end of the Civil War slavery was still legal in those states.

 

Correct.

 

find one post were I said any such thing.... they did not get this man the medical attention he needed, and now looks like they made it worse by their bad driving and not securing the restrained man

 

If he was shackled at wrists and ankles and was not secured in the vehicle and his injuries were the result of them slamming on the brakes, then it sounds like there's a few police officers in trouble.

If that's how things happened, I have no issue with the officers being charged for it.

 

you are over-looking the most obvious cause of his injury... when he was tackled by the 4 other cops... that abrupt deceleration is just as capable as the vehicle in causing that injury... (this is where all the reasonable doubt will come from to free BOTH groups of officers, the 4 arresting and 2 driving)... the medical examiner worded this in a perfect way for lawyers to get all the officers off... you could clearly see in the audio and video evidence him being dragged to and into the van with limp legs the entire time... as well as his head position and movement are classic indicators of injury associated with this... so the medical examiner just created the reasonable doubt we can't confirm if it happened before or after... both groups of lawyers will point the finger at the other cops, and both will as a result be able to get 1 or more people on that jury to say, we just can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt which group is at fault for the injury that ultimately caused the death... at most the 2 cops driving the van could be fired for not following procedures, but there is a very high likely-hood they won't be charged with a crime... as thats not a crime, its just police policy... the department might fire them to save face, but then an appeal in court might get them reinstated after a suspended period for policy violation... that medical examiner just handed not-guilty verdicts to all the cops...

classic chicken or the egg defense...

 

are you kidding... the defense attorneys are practically rejoicing at this medical examiners report... saying it was "likely" cause by the van... will now get all 6 cops off... the 4 arresting officers will now be able to get off without any problems... and the 2 van cops will be able to use all the audio and video evidence showing he was severely injured before he got into the van, and that injury is what caused his death... at most the 2 van cops will be fired for failing to follow procedure to buckle him in, but thats not a crime, its a policy, and if they are fired will probably appeal the decision and just might get their jobs back... the lawyers are going to have a field day with this report for defense and create reasonable doubt about which injury caused it... basically 4 lawyers will blame the 2 van cops, and the 2 van cops will blame the other 4 cops... and both will win with the massive reasonable doubt over where he sustained the injury... this was a total gift to them... ironic it was a result of the as you put it, political lackey of a medical examiner... they are going to get christmas cards from all the officers thanking them!

 

But was in there when he heard Grey making a physical commotion.

Baseless conjecture.

This should not even be going to trial based on the evidence especially for the other 5 officers.

As opposed to the criminal supporters like yourself?

Sorry you don't get to speak on my behalf or make up things I think.

The autopsy says an accidental death, drop the charges.

 

He was taken to the hospital where he died days later, any assertions that any medical treatment would have save him is pure speculation. Any assertions about the driving are pure speculation and not confirmed by the other passenger. And you will have a hard time proving 2nd degree murder based on the fact he was resisting the officer, was putting up a fight and could not be restrained into a seat belt so was placed on the floor from which it appears he voluntarily got up while the van was moving. You won't even get a manslaughter on that.

 

ROFL now the medical examiner is part of a conspiracy? And no there is no evidence he was paralized before he was put in the van and in fact the other detainee in the van said he heard him moving around and acting violently.

And there was only one officer driving the van. What is going to happen is there will be a preliminary hearing and after hearing the lack of evidence of a crime committed by the officers the judge will dismiss the charges.

 

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy... I'm just saying, if I was in the shoes of the defense attorneys, I would be jumping for joy at this report as it just made it immensely easier to get my clients a not guilty verdict... I mean they really did open the door once you consider all the other evidence that will be able to create reasonable doubt... there will be no preliminary hearing as they requested a jury trial and entered not-guilty plea's so there will skip that... a date for october 13th has already been set... 1 of 12 people won't be hard to convince...

 

they lied about their stops, I think there is some CYA going on.... jmho

 

Has it been ruled out yet that these cops gave him a "rough ride"? That would be important to know. This sort of thing should not happen.

 

A weak feeble cerebral palsy type character is the way to describe the victim AFTER the ride that caused the impact that destroyed his spine. And the really sickening thing is...

 

No, no they are not. They are brothers/sisters in blue first and foremost. Don't make a further fool out of yourself by attempting to pretend you know anything about LE.

 

So we can expect fires or looting in Baltimore on Friday?

 

Very true

 

Oh absolutely, but it is the lack of evidence that they should be jumping for joy over in spite of the desperate attempt by the ME to create some.

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That is not established, could just as easily be confusion over what stops there were and what constituted a stop.

 

Not so fast there. It CAN constitute depraved heart murder, it depends on the intent. If they merely accidentally 4 or 5 times didn't buckle him up or get him aid that's one thing. IF they took him on a rough ride which baltimore PD has been found guilty of doing several times before then depraved heart can stick. Reckless is "I know I shouldn't be doing this because someone could get hurt or killed but (*)(*)(*)(*) it" negligence is "I didn't know I was supposed to buckle in a suspect or check on their health cause I'm a dumbass".

 

when you do so are you hog tied in the back of a van and not voluntarily braking and thus aware of the need to brace? O wait that can't be it because you said you were driving.

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actually department policy is to buckle them the (*)(*)(*)(*) in so (*)(*)(*)(*) like this can't happen. Why? to avoid liability to the department. Baltimore had enough people killed or injured in intentional rough rides they had to circulate a rule about it.

 

you have to be able to show intent. past acts by others doesn't prove intent
Only possible way to show intent would to either have audio or creditable testimony showing he said "Im going to slam on the breaks to cause injury or death to Mr. Grey"
she over charged to appease a rioting mob and by doing so Marilyn Mosby is going to make a very bad situation worse. If you thought the rioting was bad before you just wait and see what is going to happen when the officer is acquitted because of her self serving political incompetent over charge
the best case she had was negligent homicide she screwed up and Baltimore will pay dearly for that

 

that shows depraved indifference and or negligent homicide not 2nd degree murder

 

I'm not debating the legal jargon because no matter how you slice it, it was sickening behavior on the part of the people responsible for transporting the victim.