Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact

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  1. SourD

    SourD New Member Past Donor

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    You have no idea what really happened. Stop pretending you do.
     
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    well educate your self on the legal aspect of the incident before you start claiming a charge of murder
    I don't think you are fully aware the situation this incompetent Marilyn Mosby caused by her charge of murder you thought the Baltimore riots was bad before you just wait and see the destruction thats going to happen because of the acquittal of murder caused by her over charge
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The victim's plea for medical attention was ignored after his spine was severed and you are excusing that? Sickening!
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that is depraved indifference not murder
    we are debating against the murder charge not that the officers didn't do anything wrong
     
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    Unless they can show that they stopped quickly in order to not hit a person or vehicle then all this does is show that they were in fact driving that way on purpose. Just as with any profession there are good cops and there are bad cops. The bad cops need to be weeded out or the entire department rots to the core. I assume that the vehicle has a dash cam like other police vehicles so why not simply release that footage.


    I agree with previous posters that once again we have a DA that is more interested in her career and making headlines than actually winning a case and serving justic.e
     
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    Sometimes I wonder how all those quarterbacks survived those violent blindside hits.
     
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    As I said it does depend on intent. Statements will be important, as will past actions and statements by the officers. For instance, if they've done a rough ride before or made statements to the effect of "what's wrong with a rough ride" if they are found to have lied about the circumstances of the ride itself (such as if their statements omit a stop ) all of that will go into the pot.
    Depraved heart COULD stick but it will more than likely be knocked down to manslaughter.

    She more than likely used the heavier charge to do what all prosecuters do: angle for a plea deal so their record of wins doesn't get tarnished since it is what their job depends upon.
    For instance: Get jammed up with dope and a bong and you'll likely get both simple poss and paraphenalia. Plea's get one dropped, often the actual possession charge if your lawyer is good.
     
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    Well, first, the scientifically studied and expensive padding probably helps. The daily physical conditioning on top of that.

    Oh yeah, and it doesn't always. Concussions are a very real problem in contact sports, even with individuals in top physical condition and top of the line padding + a host of guards who's purpose is to protect him.
     
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    pads and helmets. You'll also note some didn't or had their necks broken and never walked again etc.

    Want to know the difference? You sign an indemnity waiver to play. You don't do so when taken into custody, far from it in fact. In point of fact when you are a prisoner the person who has imprisoned you is responsible for your life. When they act in a reckless or criminally negligent fashion they are just as liable under the law as any other (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

    Its department policy in Balitmore to buckle them in for JUST THIS REASON. If the cops knew of the policy: Reckless. If they did not: Negligent.

    Either way you're getting charged.
     
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    SourD New Member Past Donor

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    His plea? You have a recording of that?
     
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    When you fall, hit the ground and get injured, that is a deceleration injury. The term has nothing to do with the accelerator in a vehicle. The ME is opining only about the possibility it happened in the back of the van.
     
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    Thank you!!!!!
     
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    Depraved is an interesting word. Go google depraved heart murder. Oddly enough that's the murder charge you're talking about.
     
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    O for Jesus.


    Second degree murder, covered under Maryland Criminal Code § 2-204, makes it illegal to commit any murder, even if it was not premeditated, willful, or deliberate. The distinction between second degree murder and manslaughter is in the intent. Therefore, a second degree murder must be intentional.

    "Depraved heart murder is the form of murder that establishes that the wilful doing of a dangerous and reckless act with wanton indifference to the consequences and perils involved, is just as blameworthy, and just as worthy of punishment, when the harmful result ensues, as is the express intent to kill itself. This highly blameworthy state of mind is not one of mere negligence. It is not merely one even of gross criminal negligence. It involves rather the deliberate perpetration of a knowingly dangerous act with reckless and wanton unconcern and indifference as to whether anyone is harmed or not. The common law treats such a state of mind as just as blameworthy, just as anti-social and, therefore, just as truly murderous as the specific intents to kill and to harm." Robinson v State (of maryland).


    If a rough ride is proven, that's depraved heart murder. If its not then you're talking negligent homicide. Both of those are colloquially referred to as a "murder charge".
     
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    And if we find out he did this to himself it's called either suicide or accident.
     
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    Also today is wednesday and liquid dihydrogenmonoxide is wet. Any further shocking revelations maestro?
     
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    How could it be negligence when they were purposely trying to do him harm?
     
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    Let's see, first they break his spine and then they do nothing to help him. Not only do they do nothing to help him but they continue his rough treatment. Jeez wizz guys I had no idea that cat would die if I tied it up and repeatedly beat it with a stick.
     
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    How do you it know it was on purpose?
     
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    They purposely gave him a rough ride while he was bound but unsecured inside the vehicle. Maybe they didn't intend to kill him but they clearly intended him to receive at least a few bruises which is to say that they intended to harm him.
     
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    We know for sure they gave him a rough ride? Since when? I must have missed it please link the news report so i can catch up....
     
  22. Steve N

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    None of that explains how a guy dies during a car ride while quarterbacks are still alive and well.
     
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    Ah you're just trolling then? Carry on
     
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    Yeah, we know that's what happened. The timeline supports it.
     
  25. Steve N

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    I have never heard in my entire life of a guy dying while in a car. Hell, buses don't even have seatbelts, same with subways. But this guy dies without a finger being laid on him and it's the fault of racist cops.
     

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