Balkan peninsula languages and all that goes under this topic

We can proceed here...

I thought you maybe came across some online Ukrainian newspaper, that's why I asked you about it. You don't have to answer but I'm just curious if you went trough Yugoslav educational program...

 

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Can I butt in? What are the Balkan languages? Is this list correct: slavonics, romanian, hungarian, greek, albanian?

 

I rushed to open this thread without proper introduction and list of languages. Scratch out Hungary, it's not within the Balkan peninsula borders at all. Romania is questionable too, but let's keep it for the sake of thread.

 

lena do me a favor? report davinci and valmir for me because they have written some derogatory remarks on some of the posts..

 

You probably noticed deleted thread and many posts that are gone now... I'd rather be patient and post within a forum rules, than trying to compensate my inappropriate posting by writing the 'odes' to mod team while playing a schoolyard bully .

Stay cool, AGS .

 

So when are you going home to Belgrade/Prague and leave other people's lands alone? Or do you like your loot too much?

 

I'm back home-Belgrade, Serbia and doing just great. It's not where you are, but who you are.
AGS is a nice guy. Ok?

 

AGS is a troll, but I love this. Political Forum would be sooo boring without trolling and without debating REAL issues. AGC would call the Monegasque people of Monaco immigrants in their own country because they are outnumbered by French settlers. I think that this typically slavonic philosophy is hilarious.

 

Spt5, you're trolling this thread

I've an idea, but not completely sure about what settlers are you talking about.Please be more specific about it and I'll try to answer all of your questions to the best of my knowledge.

 

I feel I may be off topic because Monaco is not in the Balkans.

But here is what I meant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaco
"Monaco's population is unusual in that the native Monegasques are a minority in their own country comprising 21.6% of the population. The largest group are French nationals at 28.4%, followed by Monegasque (21.6%), Italian (18.7%), British (7.5%), Belgian (2.8%), German (2.5%), Swiss (2.5%) and US nationals (1.2%).[32]"

This is exactly how Hungary and most Balkan countries had been with their ethnic maps, before the Western super powers and the Soviet Union invented all the excess borders, fracturing and antagonizing the region today.

There are many multi-ethnic regions in Western Europe that operate as single countries. In fact, most countries in the world, outside Europe, are multi-ethnic and multi-lingual including their domestic administrations. The only place in the universe where this is absolutely impossible to do is the Balkan + Hungary region. Is this because the people of the Balcans and Hungary are worse than others? I guess not. I guess this is because of the sinister conduct of the western powers and Russia that continues today.

 

slavonic philosophy? LOL AHAHAHAAHA


People in monaco don't even know slavonic????LOL ahahaahaahahaa

So I know you are not from monaco...100%.. if you have biaseness on anything slavonic. LOL...

 

One day, AGS, one day, you will be happy and excited to see all these slavonic puppet states wiped off the map for good, and replaced with a REAL country, such as Austria-Hungary had been.

 

Actually, as a child, when I was old enough to learn tension was rising in Yugoslavia and not before long the big war of Yugoslavia broke out, and so I was home schooled most of my life, by my older siblings (I'm the third youngest out of eight siblings) They taught me languages, history, reading, writing, government, and politics for the first 12 or so years of my life. Then the Kosovo war broke out and I moved to Shkodër to live with my cousin Zoja and her family and went through the normal education system for Albania. My family did a great job at home schooling because I was the best in my political classes and is why I pursue a life of politics. Albanian, English and Croatian are from my family teaching me. I learned my Serbian from a Serbian family who lived in Pejë before the war. Bosnian I learned over time on my own.

 

Slavonics, Albanian, Greek, Romanian (?), Turkish. Hungary is just a bit out of our reach.

 

Can we dig deeper into the language categories?

Slavonic languages:
- Bulgarian: is this a homogeneous monolythic group?;
- Serb-Croatian: is this a political union between the 2 languages, or are they really the same?;
- Slovenian: is this a dialect of Croatian?;
- Bosnian: is this a slavonic language, and does Bosnia consist of 3 nations: Bosnian + Croatian + Serbian?;
- Dalmatian: is this a slavonic language?;
- Raguza/Montenegro: what language do they speak?

Albanian:
- is there a difference between the Albanian language in Albania, Kosovo, and FYROM?

Romanian:
- is there a difference between the Moldva and Wallachia languages? I know that if there is any, these differences are under suppression by Bucharest, but still, is there any?

Turkish:
- do they speak this in Bulgaria?

Greek:
- what language group is that? Do I guess that Greek is a stand-alone island of the Indo-European group?

 

Turkish is spoken in Thrace, Turkey (Istanbul AKA: Constantinople)

Bosnian has major influences from Slavonics but might have a stand alone history.

Don't know much about the Romanian language.

Albanians in Albania and Kosovo speak mostly the same expect in Kosovo the Albanian has more influences from the Albanian in Mother Albania which is more updated. The Kosovar Albanian is not that different from Albanian Albanian. Montenegro and FYROM Albanian are both have Slavic influences.

Greek is a Hellenic Language.

Albanian could be Indo-European/Illyrian. I believe it is Illyrian.

 

FYROM? Refer the country by its proper name.

 

What is the proper name of FYROM? North Macedonia?

But I think I indeed forgot one: Macedonia. Macedonia speaks a variant of the Greek language, right? (Alexander the Great?)

 

balkan threads use to be nice with tons of flames and rage between rival countries.

 

It must be a new Yugoslavia that you predict.

 

I guess, it would be correct if I say that you indirectly (via homeschooling by your siblings) went trough Yugoslav educational program.
I always wondered how people who are not native Slavic speakers perceive our official language(s) and now, thanks to you, I understand it completely.
To me there's a very little, if any, difference between Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian (Montenegrin as well). It was all one language during Yugoslavia, Serbo-Croatian.

 

This is interesting. The name doesn't matter, I think. If it is true that Yugoslavia in its stable form worked AGAINST ethnic and linguistic discrimination, then a Yugoslavia may be a good model to work out a new concept for the future.

Yugoslavia contained at least one major non-Slavonic language, Bosnian, as I learned in this thread. It would be interesting to know what opinion Bosnian speakers had about Yugoslavia during the days of Yugoslavia.

Can the concept of Yugoslavia be reused in the 21st century, but institutionally reorganized around the equality of all ethnic groups in the region? Including all Hungarians (including the state of Hungary) and including Slovakia and Romania?

Why did Yugoslavia collapse? I understand that it was mostly economic, and the racism that was artificially constructed on top of the well planned economic collapse.

If this is true, then the idea of Yugoslavia, as a union of many ethnic groups slavic and non-slavic remains useful. A new Yugoslavia could include Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania, and for example, could borrow concepts such as our US Electoral College, to ensure an equal vote between all constituent ethnic groups.

What's your take?

The stakes and potential power may be high, considering that such a new Yugoslavia would have about 100 million citizens with education levels higher than western Europe, and natural resources not as depleted as western Europe yet.

Who would be the current opponents of a new Yugoslavia that would include Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania, in addition to all constituent countries of old Yugoslavia?

 

It has been proven genetically the yugoslavs are diverse and not all slavs but speak a slavic language... which really doesnt make them all slavs...but who cares .

 

Maybe my posts created confusion on this thread and I fully accept culpability...

Once Serbo-Croatian, today: Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and Montenegrin. Only Ex YU Republic of Macedonia and Ex YU Republic of Slovenia had/have a different Slavic langs while I'm able to fully understand both.

I'm sure your friends will answer other questions you asked...

 

Well, I don't know really. Us Albanians are really good with languages for whatever reason.
The one big difference with Croatian and Serbian is the Alphabets. Serbs use Serbian Cyrillic and Croats use hrvatska abeceda, which is a form of Latin. Bosnians I've seen use both as well as Bulgarian and Russian Cyrillic. The Bosnian language is really a mess.