Beslan school siege: Russia 'failed to prevent' massacre

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  1. vis

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    I do not care about what says some Africans or Czechs, less than said some Synder. Only Russia and Finland were involved in the war in Finland, so it can not be considered a world war. If you do not know the start date of the war, go and see in wickipedia or any other open source. I think you are talking nonsense in this case.
     
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    of cos not , the entire world

    Poland, France , etc, planned to help Finland
     
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    Neither Poland, not France or US participated in this local war. Sweden has not declared a war on USSR, so participation on the single soldiers level is rediculous to name this war as a world war. Yet, this is known, that WW2 started on 01.09 1939 with the declaration of war between Germany and Poland. Finnish war started later. So the point that USSR started WW2 is groundless.
     
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    I wrote planed to do so , the free world was not ready on Nazi-sovet allies. Free world chose to take one by one those two Satan states. A good example , occupation of the second Polish republic. When it was the war to Nazis but only criticism toward the stalinist occupation of 'Eastern Poland'
     
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    As something of an expert on Russia ( :mrgreen: ) I don't see how the Beslan incident could have been handled any better than it was; it's all very well for the armchair experts with whom we share this messageboard to pontificate and theorise, but if they can point out exactly what could have been done to have brought about a more satisfactory outcome maybe they'd care to share it with us?
     
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    You were not taught about the Hitler/Stalin Pact? I wonder why? ;-)

    "Between his assumption of power in 1933 and the Soviet-Nazi Pact of 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union were, or pretended to be, on the worst of possible terms. They assailed each other with abusive material stressing the ideological incompatibility of Communism and National Socialism, while studiously ignoring the obvious similarities between the two systems...." Ronald Hingley, "Joseph Stalin" p. 292.
     
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    It was an usual non-aggression Pact. Before such pacts were signed by Hitler with:
    1. Great Britain, France, Italy (1933)
    2. Poland (1934)
    3. Great Britain (1938 )
    3. France (1938 )
    4. Lithuania (1939 )
    5. Italy (1939)
    6. Denmark (1939)
    7. Estonia (1939)
    8. Latvia (1939)

    That's facts.
     
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    I think the most concern is related not to the pact itself, but the secret protocol about division of Poland.
     
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    But nobody saw such protocol. There is an American fake.
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    There are a lot of signs that it is a fake. For example:
    1. There is no a seal on Molotov's signature.
    2. Molotov's signature is forged one. You could check it here:

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    On the left you see the fake Molotov's signature. On the right you see three real Molotov's signatures.

    That's facts.
     
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    As for Poland. I think you know, that in 1938 Poland and Hitler together invaded in Czechoslovakia following the Munich Conference. Poland annexed Cieszyn Silesia. But most interesting is the pact Poland and Germany. According it Poland opened it's border for German troops for the attack on the USSR. Therefore an attack USSR on Poland had became inevitable.

    That's facts.
     
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    As far as I know it was disclosed to public and published. I am not expert on signatures so can not comment on this, but if this protocol was a fake, it would have been argued by USSR/Russian authorities in 1990 when it was published. But it was not done, moreover, it was condemned by the deputies. Therefore, there is every reason to beleive that it indeed existed.
     
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    Well, interestingly, Poland has been divided exactly according to the secret protocol. Is it a coincidence? Was attack on Finland also inevitable, you think?
     
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    Oh... Ask you bank manager to check it :)
    Before I'll answer this, could you say do you know what it was in USSR in 1990? Do you know who was Gorbachev? If no, I shall to explain you what a madhouse is. Any decisions at that period are unexplained. For example the foreign Minister gave USA a large piece of territory of the USSR. Himself. Just so.
     
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    Let we split two question.

    Are you sure? Did you see this protocol?

    It was bad idea, but it was inevitable. Finland collaborated with Hitler that time and got armament for attack on USSR. Leningrad was located very close to Finish border. USSR negotiated the exchange of territories but Finland had a dream to became Great Finland and to annex Russian territory. Other words, they said no. Result is known.
     
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    :) I am very suspicios about other then counting money abilities of bank managers to do anything else. I guess that USSR was in a big mess in 1990s, but I do not see the reason why it has not been done later by Russia, when the situation stabilized. This is a crucial point. I think if it was a fake Putin for sure argued this issue, but he did not do it. Why?
     
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    Did you live in USSR at that time? If not, it would be very difficult understand what happened in USSR in 1990.
     
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    Well, I saw probably the same text as others (not original, of course). As far as I know, Germany was not an allie of Finland in USSR-Finland war. I have read somewhere that Germans even stood away from interfereing in this conflict due to the treaty with USSR.
     
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    I lived at that time, but I was too young to understand what was going on :)
     
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    I don't say that it was a good idea to attack Finland. But conception of Great Finland is a fact and Finland border near Leningrad was a fact. If we didn't annex the Finish territory that are shown bellow The Leningrad Blacade would be more and more worse. Did you know what is The Leningrad Blacade?
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    So read careful that old Siberian gentlemen say about that time. Though I would not believe these stories if I would live in Germany and someone would tell me about it.

    But

    Времена не выбирают,
    В них живут и умирают.
     
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    Did any of those other nations join Nazi Germany to invade Poland? ;-)
     
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    Yes, that picture and many others like it document the close alliance between he USSR and Nazi Germany - they tell all.
    The NKVD and the Gestapo even worked with each other during the period of the Pact.
     
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    Pardon? What do you want to say? Poland started WW2 and had a plan to attack on the USSR. And what USSR had to do? To pray for them? If we didn't join that territory, then war with Hitler would be more bloody. Or that is what you wanted in realty? Sorry in that case you failed.
     
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    Not USSR only. USA financed Hitler and participated in the Holocaust. But they are Democrats, they can.
     
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