Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

They agree that it was a combination of three things. Rob only believes two of them and you only believe one of them.

Yet, the ME says it's all three. Weird, that, eh?

 

Well, I clearly stated my opinion and didn't try to pass it off as "fact", as other people are doing here.

The person who called 9-1-1 told dispatched that Floyd was "awfully drunk" and "not acting right". (That's a fact.)
The Hennepin warrant report said that Officer Lane at one point suggesting rolling Floyd over and that he was worried about Excited Delirium. (That's a fact.)
The medical examiner reported that Floyd had recently used methamphetamine and also found fentanyl intoxication. (That's a fact.)
Since fentanyl imports have grown over the last 5 years, we have had a lot of deaths both in and out of police custody from Excited Delirium Syndrome. (That's a fact.)

My opinion may be incorrect at the end of the day, but it is not based solely on my imagination. Excited Delirium is something police forces are being trained to spot and trained to call for medical assistance as soon as they suspect it as a first priority, higher than the arrest.

 

I read the preliminary report from the ME. What 3 things do you think they listed as cause of death, because I only see reference to the restraint.

 

But you are inserting an opinion that no medical professional agrees with. I can understand if you were speculating before the ME report came out, but we have that now.

 

I watched HIM in his interview and all he offered was what he saw in the video.

 

Yes, I was inserting an opinion. That's why I started a sentence with the words, "My opinion is...", thereby distinguishing fact from my opinion based on fact.

"“Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s),” the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office said in a news release. Cause of death was listed as “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.” https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/George-Floyd-family-to-release-results-of-own-15307877.php

Many cities do not have a formal or official classification for Excited Delirium as a cause of death, but many emergency medical technicians believe is should be added as an official cause. Cities across the country are training officers to respond differently to Excited Delirium cases when they suspect that's what is happening. An ambulance should have been called to the scene much earlier in the arrest instead of very late. They very likely could have saved his life and prevented the cardiac arrest.

 

but the degree we have it is obviously not what you want.

 

Have you ever been in the back of a police car? Nothing to smash up. Hurting himself? They killed him instead. Wow.

 

I think you're getting it today....that is unless you want a guillitine in the public square!

 

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/socialism-not-public-roads-and-911-service/
...once and for all: can we retire the tired fallacy that government services and socialism are one and the same? They’re not.

 

News video on upgrading the charges against Chauvin and arresting the other three officers.

 

Official charges announced by Ellison.

 

Good.
The conversation has developed to the degree of socialism, and presumably the merits and demerits of such, and the tolerance groups of people have as to how much socialism they will accept.
A lot of Americans use the word socialism differently to others.
For many, any collective agreement reached, monitored or enforced by some kind of authority is actually socialism. Even to the level lets say of collectively agreeing to have street lighting, let alone the agreement to have armed forces.
In America it is like most countries enhanced by socialist enterprise absolutely everywhere. This does not mean individualism is prevented, but the majority are prepared to sacrifice some liberty for the collective good, such as keeping to the left hand side of the road.
It surprises me that socialism is such a dirty word to many Americans, when it is groups of people coming to agreements and sticking to them.

 

We have initially agreed to the" limits" of government. The battle is this.....holding at bay those that would trade liberty for security. Apparently you are happy with the security you enjoy. I'm happy with the liberty I enjoy and intend to keep it.

 

• Three former Minneapolis police officers will be criminally charged Wednesday in connection with the death of George Floyd, Sen. Amy Klobuchar wrote in a post on Twitter.
• In addition, Derek Chauvin, a former officer who had already been charged with third-degree murder in the case, will now be charged with second-degree murder, the Minnesota lawmaker wrote.
• Klobuchar did not detail the charges that Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison plans to file against the three other ex-cops: Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane.
• Three former Minneapolis police officers will be criminally charged Wednesday in connection with the death of George Floyd, Sen. Amy Klobuchar wrote in a post on Twitter.
  
  In addition, Derek Chauvin, a former officer who had already been charged with third-degree murder in the case, will now be charged with second-degree murder, the Minnesota lawmaker wrote.
• Those crooked cops are going to pay for it.
  

 

Is the next step for the 'unwoke' re-education camps:

 

Increasing the severity of the charges make is far less likely they will get a conviction. Manslaughter would have been fairly easy. The former murder 3rd degree would have probably been a win.

Now with 2nd degree murder, they have to prove that Chauvin committed a felony intentional assault against Floyd. Given Minneapolis' own "Use of Force" ordinances, the city allowed and trained police officers that it was proper procedure to use a neck restraint with the officer's arm or leg to the point of unconsciousness. (What is not allowed is to continue that restraint longer than is necessary.)

Now, put yourself in the shoes of Chauvin's defense attorney. Using city codes essentially allows officers to assault citizens as part of doing their job, without it being a felony.

That's why the previous Hennepin attorney said he was charging Chauvin with crimes which "would stick" through a trial and successful conviction, provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now the verdict is more likely to be that the jury finds him guilty (of manslaughter or lesser acts) but not guilty of the 2nd degree murder crime which the State A.G. has charged him with. Chauvin could walk free and sue the city.

 

At first I thought it was merely a figure of speech to say we were still living under the Obama regime, but we literally are. This is just like six years ago in Ferguson, Missouri. Exact same situation, exact same reactions. They literally won't let go of the levers of power, like conservatives do when they lose elections.

Chauvin walking free is exactly what these provocateurs want, remember: "no justice no peace". If all four are sentenced, they lose any legitimacy(not that they had any) to commit their crimes.

 

The wealthy and powerful use the poor and meek as political fodder to increase their own power. Yes, a "not guilty" verdict will start a new round of anger and possibly more riots. Looks like they set that up today to play out in the future.

I feel sad for Floyd's family, though they will eventually be awarded a multi-million settlement from the City of Minneapolis a few years from now....under a separate civil law suit against the city's police procedures.

 

The mere thought that you may be right makes me ill.

 

I have been angry at this, so I did a search. I'm breathing a little easier, now. This has to be as apolitical as possible. Difficult to do, I know.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...nintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/

 

I regret having to mention this but having to protest concerning the murder of George Floyd isn't going to help with the solution of the Coronavirus and might result what we experienced in late March of this year. If any protesters get sick, Don't blame me or anyone else that stayed away from others as much as possible or stay home for their protection. I realize what the four policemen did to George Floyd was wrong and all will pay for this. I mean it.

 

When I said those crooked cops are going to pay for it, I meant it.

 

Ah ha, thanks! They added a charge; they didn't replace the previous two. Well, perhaps justice will be done without so much of the political interfering.

 

I just don't and probably won't understand why there racist police officers patrolling the neighborhoods just wanting to bonk someone on the head just because they're a different race, color, or creed because of it. It doesn't make sense at all.