Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

I heard something that when George Floyd was murdered, he had COVID-19, and if that's so, I hope that so-called former officer Derek Chauvin got infected with it as well and I hope Chauvin gets sick catches pneumonia and dies. That will teach other racist cops a lesson.

 

I don't blame you for thinking this way. I'm with you as well

 

No, it doesn't make sense and the numbers don't prove that to be true. There were 10 unarmed black people killed by police in 2019. Ten.

Fire and bring criminal charges against the bad apples, but out of 700,000 police officers in this country, most are not a marauding group of racists out to hunt down black people.

 

Floyd tested positive April 5th for Covid. He still tested positive at his autopsy last week, but when they looked at his lungs, they were clear. He was an asymptomatic carrier.

Very nice of you to wish a viral infection on others though.

 

You don't know? It was in the link, are you too good to read the arrest warrant which alleges the probable cause based on the series of events which occurred? And that means we should view your opinion as valuable... why exactly?

Yes I'm aware of the autopsy, I've read the entire report (not an article on it, the actual autopsy) and the 2nd report as well.
He had levels of fentanyl and amphetamines and THC in his system that reflect prior usage for a serious user but not the sort of levels that indicate intoxication in a serious user. ampethamine levels for a heavy user currently high would be in the hundreds of ng/ml. Fentanyl for an experienced user likewise is vastly over the 11ng/ml found in his system. He indeed had narrowed arteries. Google "Eggshell plaintiff", none of that is an excuse.
Using a carotid hold put extra stress on his system. Continuing that hold for 10 minutes, including for 3 minutes AFTER a lack of consciousness and being put on notice of a lack of vital signs, puts us so far beyond 'reasonable' use of force I'm not sure how to go about communicating the concept to you as it is so basic a thing its difficult to break it into smaller pieces for you. Because he's beyond reasonable force its assault, and because serious injury resulted (see autopsy, serious contusions and damage all over) its of a felony degree in Minnesota. Because a man died during the commission of that felony, its 2nd degree murder in Minnesota.
Per the statutes and the law.

 

And now for another perspective:

 

1) not what I was asking vman12, nor why I was asking it. I was asking a leading question so he would respond as he did (see my post just before this one) and I could then respond as I did, because rhetoric is a spectator's sport.
2) I was aware of the charges prior to you linking them, but thanks.

To be clear what I was asking him was in response to his saying this >:
". . . From the video I saw, there's a portion where the cops are getting ready to put him in the car, then it cuts to the guy on the ground with the knee on his neck.

I'm wondering how he went from being put in the car to on the ground with a knee in his neck, and why."

Emphasis mine

After linking him the report to answer his question, he continues to feign ignorance of just how they got him out of the car onto his face so chauvin could sit on his neck. The answer being Chauvin pulled his ass back out of the car after they had gotten him into the car in handcuffs.
The fight is most definitely over when you get them in the ****ing paddy wagon. You then renew the fight after entering the sally port and closing it at the jail when you go to get them out of the car. You don't pull them out of the car, sit on their carotid artery for 7 minutes until they pass out and then for 3 more minutes after they've passed out and you're told they show no vitals/pulse. After overriding another cop telling you to flip them over to avoid JUST what occurs, not once but twice.

 

Didn"t we have speculation earlier in this thread about Chauvin, his wife and Floyd:

 

Yes, lots of people making up a lot of possible theories, and inventing stories.

 

My "theory" is still that Floyd was dying of fentanyl overdose, and police were probably most negligent in not calling for an ambulance much earlier in the arrest, even before they were struggling to get him into the squad car and he was talking about being claustrophobic and repeating "I can't breathe".

They couldn't have known that he was crashing from the fentanyl, but officers need to be trained to look for that these days and be prepared to call for medics sooner than they used to do before the opioid crisis.

I read the autopsy. Floyd's blood fentanyl level was 11 ng/Ml.

This morning I looked to see what level is average in people accidentally overdose and die from fentanyl. A study was done on hundreds of New Hampshire decedents. (New Hampshire has the highest fentanyl overdose deaths of any state in the country.)

The average fentanyl level in overdose deaths, with no extenuating circumstances (like police restraint), is 9.96 ng/Ml. Floyd probably would have been in the hospital from overdose...causing respiratory depression and heart attack...if he hadn't had the unfortunate run-in with the police.

Fentanyl overdose study:

https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.u...overdoses-in-new-hampshire-final-09-11-17.pdf

 

Thank you.

 

How do you know he was a racist?

 

I watched some of the memorial service of George Floyd and I was pleased on how they did it and I hope anyone that watched it was pleased about it as well.

 

Why did Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds straight? and why did the three others just watch and do nothing to stop this? How do you explain it?

 

Does 'All Lives Matter' diminish anyone's life:

 

You called him a racist. Please qualify that claim.

 

Oh well maybe the police can start handing out medical history forms before they effect arrests.

 

Maybe they can 1) not yank a guy back out of the car after they had him in cuffs and secured for transport so they can beat on him some more opening themselves up to an excessive force claim and 2) not apply carotid holds to cuffed suspects whose diaphragms they're also restraining, for a period of 10 minutes or so, 3 of those minutes after he lost consciousness and vitals and you were put on notice of both.
You know. Crazy talk.

What's truly sad is the two cops who said anything, the guy who said we should flip him over twice and was overruled twice, and the guy who checked vitals, were both on their 3rd and 4th shift respectively. Chauvin was their training officer. They're getting accomplice liability to 2nd degree because of him and because they were too chickenshit to stop doing something they knew was wrong..

 

I can't claim that Chauvin is racist. What Chauvin did to Floyd was uncalled for and it was wrong for a police man to do to an innocent person regardless of race, color, or creed, or whatever. It could have been racist and could have been something else. Many of these protesters nationwide make it look like it was racist but I can't prove it, and I won't at this time unless Chauvin admits he hates blacks. Police have to use bully tactics when confronting dangerous criminals to defend the people they protect and serve.

 

Fair enough.

 

Sort of like if Flynn didn’t lie he wouldn’t have been charged as a felon?

 

How many were brutalized or set up, see there is more that goes on than just murder.

 

Diversion the best you got?

 

So they have to kill us to protect us.

Right up there with "In order to save the village we had to burn it down"