Border Patrol union backs Senate immigration bill despite House GOP opposition

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    My source is the President of the Border Patrol Union.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they did. The border patrol people are worried about the border. It isn't their job to worry about the Ukraine add-ons and all the other crap they shoved into that bill. I don't understand the point of this thread to be honest.
     
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    You do realize that it was the Republicans who DEMANDED that the border part of the bill get shoved into the bill for foreign aid, don't you?
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's even worse! Holding border safety hostage to waste more of our tax dollars on a losing war? SAD
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who oversees and mandates labor laws?

    Not really confusing at all if a bit of logic is applied.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They shouldn't be either.

    I am vehemently opposed to public sector unions.

    It's all a farce.

    1. There is nobody sitting at the negotiating tables who is actually responsible for the cost of labor.

    2. Too much opportunity for elected officials to buy votes with unsustainable union contract terms.

    3. The entity that is tasked with supporting workers rights and enforcing labor laws is the same people they are negotiating with. Thus, why should public sector unions get benefits of those laws not seen in the private sector by mandate? See #2 above.
     
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  7. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    And Republicans don't care about the border.
     
  8. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure they don't. You're funny
     
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    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    I agree that the bills would be better if they were focused on one thing only, but it is common practice and sometimes the way they negotiate to get things done.
    But is the WORST is if one side insists on something being thrown in with other things, and then when it is complains about it and turns it down.
    That is what the Republicans did in this case.
     
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    Which told you what? What was the magic thing he told you that made you think the border, with over 7 million illegal entries, was secure?

    Do leftist not know how to do math, or do they just ignore it because they saw a video that made them feel better?
     
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    My my how the left just regurgitates propaganda they are commanded without a lick of any idea what they are talking about.
    Just more lefty BS.

    In the real world, Its called H.R. 2. The Secure the Border Act of 2023. Introduced by Republicans on May 2, 2023.
    Still sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk who refuses to put it up for vote in the Senate.
    But lefty land wouldn't know anything about that because they only parrot what they are told.

    Would you like to know whats in it that Democrats refuse to vote for?

    It would Reestablish border policy, including restarting construction on the border wall and requiring the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to create a plan to meet benchmarks for 200 miles of construction each year;

    Reinforce the unrealistically narrow definition of “operational control” as “the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband”(emphasis added);

    Require the DHS secretary to incorporate physical barriers, infrastructures, and technologies to “achieve situational awareness and operational control” at the U.S.-Mexico border;

    Increase the number of full-time Border Patrol agents to at least 22,000;

    Prohibit the use of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Air and Marine Operations resources to transport noncitizens who will not be detained into the country’s interior;

    Build on Operation Stonegarden to appropriate $110 million per fiscal year — from 2024 through 2028 — for grants to law enforcement agencies working with U.S. immigration authorities near the U.S.’s land and maritime borders;

    Require the U.S. Border Patrol to pull together a strategic plan based in part on information provided by “border community stakeholders” such as hospitals, farmers, ranchers, property owners, victims of crimes done by undocumented immigrants, and others “negatively impacted by illegal immigration;”

    Pull funding for processing noncitizens who have entered the U.S. illegally between ports of entry;

    Bar funds from being disbursed to NGOs that “facilitate or encourage unlawful activity,” defined to include unlawful entry, or that facilitate transportation, lodging, or immigration legal services for people who are inadmissible;

    Restrict the use of documents provided by DHS, such as notices to appear and work authorizations, as valid IDs at airport security checkpoints;

    Limit the CBP One phone application and other similar platforms to only be used for the inspection of perishable cargo, barring its use for the scheduling of immigration interviews for people at ports of entry;

    Mandate government reporting on migration-related economic and security ramifications to states and municipalities along the U.S.-Mexico border, including to law enforcement, school districts, healthcare providers, and farmers and ranchers; and

    Defund an alternatives to detention case management program and CBP’s shelter services program.

    So do tell us all, what was in the bill that was just turned down you claim Republicans wanted.
    I can't wait to hear this
     
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  12. Arkanis

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    He represents thousands of border patrollers.

    He is a strong supporter of Trump, who has been calling for tougher legislation for years.

    He says he is pleased with the bipartisan bill that has been introduced and calls for it to be passed, and denounces the attitude of MAGA elected officials who want to scuttle it.

    As for you, you don't work at the border, you haven't read the bill and your only source of information is Trump.

    In short, unlike Brandon Judd, you don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    So, you don't know whats in the bill. You haven't read it yourself. But here you are claiming others are only listening to Trump, when thats all you have done.
    You claim a Trump supporter says (X). Then claim he is right. Then claim my source is Trump?
    Too funny
    Do you guys ever listen to yourselves?
    Our are you just programmed to jump on anything you can find that you think supports Biden?
     
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  14. Arkanis

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    Mike Johnson said the bill was dead before it even got to the House floor three days before it was made public.

    Like you, he hadn't read it either.

    Trump doesn't want the border issue settled under a Biden presidency and prefers the status quo so he can campaign on it.

    We both know that, so there's no point in pretending.
     
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    Excellent decision by republicans to not support this bill.
     
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    Yet all Biden has to do is reverse his anti Trump border policies and its done.
    Which means, he doesn't want to reverse anything. All he really wants to do is pretend to provide a new border policy that actually does nothing to stop illegal crossings so he can blame it on Republicans.
    But they aren't falling for it because they know exactly what Biden is doing.

    These policies (Still in effect) have brought in over 7 MILLION illegals into the US. And until these policies are reversed, NOTHING in that bill will do ANYTHING to slow down illegal immigration. So you can try to convince your tribe of how Biden is trying to solve the border problem but 88% of the voters aren't buying this BS.

    1. Executive Order on the Revision of Civil Immigration Enforcement Policies and Priorities – January 20, 2021
    This is Bidens order that rescinded the prompt removal of all undocumented immigrants.

    2. Preserving and Fortifying Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) – January 20, 2021
    Bidens order to fortify the DACA program that provides relief from deportation

    3, Proclamation on the Termination Of Emergency With Respect To The Southern Border Of The United States And Redirection Of Funds Diverted To Border Wall Construction – January 20, 2021
    Bidens orders to cancel border wall projects and contracts.

    4, Executive Order on Ensuring a Lawful and Accurate Enumeration and Apportionment Pursuant to the Decennial Census – January 20, 2021
    Bidens orders to include undocumented immigrants for the 2020 Census

    5. Memorandum Reinstating Deferred Enforced Departure for Liberians – January 20, 2021
    Bidens orders that reinstated Deferred Enforced Departure (DED) program that provides temporary protection against deportation

    6. DHS Statement on the Suspension of New Enrollments in the Migrant Protection Protocols Program – January 20, 2021
    Bidens orders for the removal of the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) also known as the Remain in Mexico policy

    7. Executive Order on Creating a Comprehensive Regional Framework to Address the Causes of Migration, to Manage Migration Throughout North and Central America, and to Provide Safe and Orderly Processing of Asylum Seekers at the United States Border – February 2, 2021
    Bidens orders to strengthen the asylum and refugee protection systems making it harder to remove illegals making false claims

    8. Executive Order on Rebuilding and Enhancing Programs to Resettle Refugees and Planning for the Impact of Climate Change on Migration – February 4, 2021
    Bidens order on fortifying programs to resettle refugees and to examine the impact of climate change on migration.

    9. Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021 – May 3, 2021
    Bidens order that increased the refugee admissions ceiling for FY 2021 from 15,000 to 62,500. Biden also reaffirmed his intention to raise the ceiling to 125,000 for FY 2022.
     
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    The rank and file, those doing the job, disagree with you about the need for a union.
     
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    A union does a lot more than enforce established labor laws lol
     
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    The rank and file are the ones that stand to benefit!
     
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    Great.

    The issue of labor contracts alone is valid in opposing public sector unions as I explained to Sleep Monster.
     
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    Apparently, they see the benefit of a union. Otherwise, they wouldn't prefer it.
     
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    Of course its better than what we have right now. Because right now we have a Presidency that purposefully undermined border security. LINK: 64 Times the Biden Administration Intentionally Undermined Border Security - Speaker Mike Johnson If Biden reversed everything he's done in regards to the border since entering office then that Union would probably be singing a different tune. And here's the kicker...It would actually result in better poll numbers, all without the need for this bill. Which means the excuse used against Trump and GOP elected officials rings very hollow.
     
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    It was under more control under Trump than it has been under Biden. LINK: 64 Times the Biden Administration Intentionally Undermined Border Security - Speaker Mike Johnson
     
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    Blah blah. Just more hypocrisy.
     
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  25. Arkanis

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    Trump demanded that this bill be nipped in the bud.

    The President of the Border Patrol Union wants this bipartisan bill passed.

    Biden is just waiting for a positive vote in the House to sign it.
     

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