Burly rugby player has a stroke wakes up gay

I LMBO at the assumption that the OP assumed that being a burly rugby player is somehow incompatible with being gay.

 

the problem is that you are not willing to hear the other side.

go ahead. run away. I expected as much

ps

you came after me in this thread, not I after you.

 

We have an interesting turn of course here. The case against prop 8 is going farther up the chain of the court system, closer and closer to the supreme court and a historic decision.

 

When commentary is laced with such irrational animus, what actual 'good' could come of it?

 

and yet it's perfectly acceptable to use the term " homophobe" with reckless abandon ?


double standards

 

I'm sorry... Am I misunderstanding something? Are you saying being gay is the result of a damaged brain?

 

Can you show (academically) where the term "homophobe" is disparaging (unless used purposefully in that context)?

The term "homo" is charged with animus, disdain and hatred. There are few who are reasonable, that would disagree.

Even so, that isn't the topic; so I'm done with that.

 

the word homophobia is charged with animus too but you refuse to admit it

 

You are completely mistaken. Sorry.

 

when have you admitted that using the term homophobic was charged with animus?

 

Virtually any set of words can be 'delivered' in such a manner to communicate something negative. However, there are words such as "homo" (when used to refer to or describe a person) is usually taken to be offensive. If one wishes to be 'ignorant' about language and its use, there is no stopping them; it's not unusual for people to feel they are correct and be dead-wrong.

As for the terms: homophobia or homophobe... they can certainly be used in disparaging ways, but they aren't "slang" and have proper applications.

You or anyone else going out here and calling people "homo", is very much akin to deliberately offending them. You can do that, but don't complain when some form of protest or reciprocity comes your way.

 

perhaps you should take your own advice for a change instead of acting as if you stand on some moral high ground.


you don't


You seek tolerance while at the same time demanding that others feel, think or speak a certain way and refer to them as a bigot or homo phobe when they don't

all you posts are that way

 

Some people are terrified of homosexuals....Just like some are of spiders......There actually is a mental disorder known as Homophobia, which is the irrational fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homophobia

 

Look, I didn't come here to be 'nice', though I'm typically respectful.

No. You don't seem to understand that I will stand right in your face on here, and tell you exactly what I think/believe or know. I'm not backing down from my position. And here is the compromise I'll always offer:
You get to share your opinion, as long as you don't attack me personally. In my right mind, I'll report you... if I step out of my civil mindset, I will be as hard or harsh as anyone you might ever encounter. I have a right to share how people's words affect me, as long as I don't violate the rules.

Of course, we don't agree on things, but that is okay.

I try to be both amicable and civil within this forum; and the bulk of my posts tend show just that. And no, I will not be "tolerant" of the same old bigoted stuff that MANY say about homosexuals or homosexuality. So please, don't expect me to be pleasant about that kind of stuff; I've endured enough of it to not tuck my tail and hide-away (every time someone thinks they want to push/bash a homosexual). I will respond to irrational animus and homophobia within the rules (if at all possible).

You are not relating truth in saying that. And yes, as I implied above, I'm NOT going to tolerate that hateful, bigoted or homophobic BS that some people take as their right to spew, whenever or wherever. I think it is time for people to sense that push back more widely in this society. I was literally quiet about and fearful of people standing over and pressing down upon homosexuals using the standard bashing tools, but now I will respond. Like it or not, that is what I'll do.

No. That is not true.

 

Yes. Some people don't realize they are afflicted with "homophobia"; and they'll deny it until the very end.

|Homophobia|

 

Are you qualified to diagnose their affliction--let alone diagnose it over an few posts in a forum?

 

I'm not going after any clinical diagnosis, no. Still, I won't tolerate what I think is people just being harsh, because someone is "gay".

I'm sure enough that what I'm seeing is what it really is.

 

Some people are just rude--being rude does not mean their positions on matters are necessarily "irrational" which is what "homophobia" suggests.

 

do the animals reach orgasm?

 

you mean like the time you told me that you wanted me to shut up and go away?

 

real definition; failure to comply with the the gay agenda

 

Homophobia may be a controversial concept to some (with VERY old thinking), but the concept is certainly not "new" and if one is well-experienced within the American culture, they can/do recognize its symptoms to a fairly accurate degree.

Now, in most cases "bigotry" will do or even "abject rudeness", which in virtually any case are born of either fear, hatred, irrational animus... any commonly evil, negative human emotion. There is NO GOOD REASON for human beings to TOLERATE that.

You know, I could accept people who DO NOT APPROVE of homosexuality or homosexual people; I've seen that ALL OF MY LIFE. But the overt and blatant 'hating' or promotion of fear-mongering onto homosexual people, is something that needs to be RESPONDED TO (have some resistance naturally put up against it). And after spending my entire adult life, seeing people project the darkness within them, arrogantly justifying the fear and hatred they'd inflict upon other human beings... I'm not going to take it anymore.

I'm not saying that homosexuality MUST be approved-of by anyone (I had my own deep doubts about it many years ago), but Lord knows the animus and fear expressed about it in this society deserves some label; and the term "homophobia" wasn't invented on a whim, it actually describes what it means to (whether some care for the word or not). There are other ways to describe homophobia, but until the English language comes up with a better word... it will do IMO.

 

Your opinion is noted.

 

When you throw that word around, you can't really expect people to take you seriously. You contribute to weakening dialog by name-calling.

As for a word that fits irrational hatred or fear of someone different than themselves...plain old "bigot" works. But, disagreeing with particular behavior choices and political efforts to change society toward accepting those behavior choices--that's not bigotry, that is having a different opinion and voicing it--what the 1st Amendment provides for.

 

Yes, I can. And yes, there IS that much of it (homophobia) out here. You can ignore it if you wish, but i don't intend to.

No, the points I make are impertinent, nor are they usually 'petty'.

Sometimes, we see homophobia, other times we see bigotry. In ANY case, as much as some fools expect "homosexuals" to 'modify' their behavior... so should those afflicted with 'homophobia' or given to 'bigotry' modify their own.

Sorry, if I can't bring myself to tolerate the homophobia and bigotry to any greater degree. I'm pushing back and teaching others to do the same (in appropriate ways).

There is a lot that INDIVIDUALS (gay/straight) do, that I do not approve of personally. But when someone goes after "homosexuality", as if they are in some position to judge that "thing" themselves (unilaterally), it is appalling to me. I would never group ALL heterosexuals to this/that idea I have of them. I know that I am dealing with HUMAN BEINGS; once you look at a different person, it's clear enough that they MOLD is already altered/customized to some degree.

Of course... people like homosexuals who are unreasonably and unjustly discriminated against (regularly) HAVE A RIGHT (even a duty) to "change society". I mean, are you serious?!! If you can't think of ONE good reason for homosexual people to CHANGE THIS SOCIETY, then your blinders are firmly in-place and having an effect.

Okay, fine. Even so, it depends upon HOW you express the same. For example, I could address or direct any opinion about YOU, and deliver it in such a way which could/would offend you. I could talk about your FACE, your profession or entertainment choices... and reflect that back at you in ways that would surely embarrass or dehumanize you. And MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT... that is the approach of scores of people, when they address homosexuality or homosexual people (even in-person).

And take that for whatever it's worth, but 'I' (this one gay person), will respond to homophobia, bigotry and social bias. I simply will. No, I'm not going to go-off like a battery of missiles (not most of the time)... but I am going to CHALLENGE various attitudes and perceptions certain people relate. And after what I've been through in this society as a homosexual man, it's as natural to me as anything else from my cultural experiences as an American.

Yep. And I and others have literally fought to defend and afford EVERYONE (gay/straight and in-between) that most important right.