Butler County judge orders West Chester Hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with ivermectin, despite

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  1. GrayMan

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    Not that that matters. The FDA do not approve the specific use of the drug.that is specified by the drug maker. The FDA regulates the drug efficacy, information provided, and whether a doctor should be administering/monitoring it.
     
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    Really?

    Got any sources besides anti-vaxers propaganda?
     
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    You are truly uninformed of the widely known fact that Ivermectin has been used for a number of human conditions, safely, for decades? And you are also similarly unaware of the fact that you have an internet search box and are perfectly capable of looking things up yourself? Sad!

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    She's grateful for the human benefits of Ivermectin.​
     
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    Well, the good thing is that it got rid of their worms. The bad news is that their IQs is around 17 points.
     
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    It's about a judge getting in the middle of two medical providers when a life is at risk. Again you take the entire thing out of context.
     
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    Yes, the 2015 Nobel Prize award, lol. Debunk that.
     
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    In the end, the judge is forcing a hospital and its medical staff to administer medication they do not wish to administer. Not just once, but every day for 3 weeks straight.

    You, I assume, are against a baker being forced to bake a cake they do not wish to do, and you, I assume, are against a florist being forced providing flowers they do not wish to do, but you are on board with with medical professionals being forced to administer medication they do not wish to....

    I am against all 3 things, but this is the down fall of being a partisan as you are....you cannot be consistent in your views. you have to side with your party no matter what.
     
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    A Nobel Prize for COVID? 5 years before the6 infection appeared?

    Or for any study of a similar viral study for effectiveness and safety in that application? What I uave seen involved very short term use against living bugs in hair and blood. Long term use to avoid invection of viruses seems very different.
     
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    I see logic and reading are not your strong suit. Let me know when they are.
     
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    Oh noes! Darth leaves out facts to make an argument yet again!

    No surprise. You try talking a big game, but you’re as leftist as they come. Just be honest and own what you are. We’d respect you more.

    Maybe you can quote prominent Republicans recommending livestock medicine doses. The rest of the liberals can’t man up and answer this question at all. Maybe you’ll be the first.

    Knock yourself out. It will be fun watching you try.
     
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    Here's another potential "cure" for COVID on the horizon

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/snake-venom-may-tool-fight-213806525.html

    Can't wait for all those Fox watchers to start mail ordering their venomous snakes for a little french kissing action... Actual directions for taking medicine seem to be beyond them....
     
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    I’d settle for liberals who didn’t lie about this topic. Unfortunately, I’m screwed in that regard.
     
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    Have I ever made such a claim?
     
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    Update from a different judge on Friday

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    "The order issued Monday, Aug. 23 is hereby modified to permit the defendant (the hospital) to cease administration of Ivermectin, at its discretion, if Mr. Smith's treating physicians at West Chester Hospital determine that Mr. Smith is experiencing any life threatening side effects due to administration of Ivermectin," Oster wrote.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/butler-county-judge-modifies-ivermectin-035900173.html

    This, of course, makes a little more sense, but it's still ridiculous that a judge has to say physicians can stop a forced treatment if it's making things worse.... I mean, really??

    But who's to truly say that this unapproved drug (for this illness) is responsible for "life threatening side effects DUE TO the administration of Ivermectin"??

    Slippery slopes here, people....
     
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    To be clear, we are talking about a patient that already has a 70% chance of dying. There are multiple cases of people on ventilators getting Ivermectin and then surviving. The doctor is opening himself up to a lawsuit if he does not treat with Ivermectin and the patient dies (which is more likely to happen than not). If he treats with Ivermectin and the patient dies, no lawsuit will occur and the physician's judgement is ratified by the death of the patient.

    Remember this is probably a Republican voter. Why should you care if a Republican voter dies and in the process strengthens the argument against Ivermectin as snake oil? From what I have read, the jury is truly out on the effectiveness of it versus Covid. There are studies that support it and there are studies that show it is not effective. There are medical experts that support it and there are medical experts that oppose it. Given the dire condition of the patient in this case and the desperation of the family to use it, there should be no objection to using it as it will provide another point of data to demonstrate it's effectiveness or lack thereof.

    A few months ago Fauci averred that the vaccine would stop the spread of the virus, a myth utterly and completely shattered by Israel's massive Covid surge last week. The science is settled on NOTHING regarding Covid. Science will have a much better picture of it five years from now. Until then, experimentation should be encouraged for those on ventilators.... as their prospects are beyond bleak with the current treatment protocol (70% fatality rate).
     
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    The CDC pushed Remdesivir, which failed clinical trials for Ebola because it was not as effective as other drugs tested, and killed one of the subjects and had nasty side effects for many others. Yet the CDC is promoting it. I smell money. Remdesivir is far more expensive.
     
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    I think Darth and I are in sync here... neither of us has a problem if PRESCRIBED Ivermectin is administered to this patient... If it cures him or saves him, that's flipping great!! Still doesn't mean people should be going to feed stores to pick it up themselves...

    We just feel it shouldn't be ordered at a hospital if it violates their treatment protocols... Either bring the prescribing doctor in on a one-time privilege to personally administer (then also be available to manage side effects) or transfer the patient to a location where the treatment will be allowed without this sort of issue (my preference).

    The issue is really not Ivermectin or even COVID in this case...
     
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    Oooops.... looks like we were 100% right on this one...

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    A judge ruled Monday that an Ohio hospital cannot be forced to give a patient ivermectin for Covid-19, reversing an earlier decision that ordered it to administer a parasite medication that has not been approved to treat the disease.

    In an 11-page decision, Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Michael Oster Jr. wrote that there “was no doubt that the medical and scientific communities do not support the use of ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19.”

    “While this court is sympathetic to the plaintiff and understands the idea of wanting to do anything to help her loved one, public policy should not and does not support allowing physicians to try ‘any’ type of treatment on human beings,” he wrote.
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-says-hospital-cannot-forced-001100148.html

    That was one really poor first judicial decision.....
     
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    Aha... here's the preferred way for the GOP "led" states to find out if Ivermectin actually works.... not that they really care either way...

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    Multiple Arkansas inmates reported that, unbeknownst to them, they were given Ivermectin to treat COVID-19. The jail physician who prescribed the drugs is now under investigation by the state medical board.

    Several inmates from the Washington County jail said they were told the pills they were given to treat COVID-19 were antibiotics, steroids, and vitamins.

    "We were running fevers, throwing up, diarrhea ... and so we figured that they were here to help us," Edrick Floreal-Wooten, an inmate at the jail, told CBS News. "We never knew that they were running experiments on us, giving us ivermectin. We never knew that."
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/arkansas-jail-inmates-were-unknowingly-165646932.html
     
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    Did CNN lie:
     
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    Why is she “grateful”? Because she no longer has scabies or worms?

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