Can a Christian lose their salvation? Or, are there former Christians?

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  1. Felicity

    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is nothing wrong with questioning. Quitting on questioning is where you fall into trouble. Questioning as an excuse not to seriously grapple with your issues of faith--THAT is trouble...but questioning in the process of having faith--totally normal.
    I offered it as an example of one who gives lip-service to faith and questioning faith. If you genuinely and sincerely seek, He is faithful and just in return. One son just gave lip-service--the other sincerely answered the call to the best of his ability. God asks that we do our true best.
     
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    I work with the tool that are provided to me. English is my second language so sometime my ideas don't translates well.

    What I said is that there isn't any review process for scripture UNLESS you are part of the two major christian denomination. The smaller sects don't have the ressources, study or expertise to "review" the scripture. Hence the myriads of different interpretation that their members have.

    Since it is a fact that the Bible was first compiled by the Catholics and that the Protestant are a spinoff of the Catholics they have been studying it the longest and as such have more expertise in its interpretation.

    Now, how they USE those scripture in day to day is quite debatable, especially in historical hindsight...

    As for your game, I had the pleasure (cough, cough) in the past of trying to play those semantic games of yours. I would prefer if you would find another partner, now that I've just explained to you that I may have some difficulty ikn precisely stating my position, unless of course you want me to give it to you in french :mrgreen:
     
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    I've said it many time and I'll repeat it here again.
    English isn't my first language. Sometime my ideas doesn't translate well. If you have a doubt about the spirit behind what I write, then ask.

    Actually I understand quite well his position.

    But isn't it the duty of those who know when someone is wrong to say it?
    Is this a discussion forum or a monologue section?

    And please, you never respected anybody in your evolution section unless they said and thought the same way that you did.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you think it stops there as a one time effort that could dissipate after a time when fervor wanes?
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So much for that.... :roll: thanks a lot you two! You know, you could stop and the good convo could continue if you don't bicker. Try it.
     
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    I would like to... How about you DBM...
     
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    Believing in the existence of Jesus and believing Jesus are two different scenarios. So in direct answer to your question and in consideration of the distinction I have made ,,,, yes! There are many who believe in the existence of Jesus who will end up in hell, because they did not believe Jesus.
     
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    You have NEVER stated in ANY of the evolution threads that you have participated in for the past three four years that English is your second language...

    It is not monologue if the Scripture you are posting is exactly what you are suggesting. It's like posting links for evolution. You suggest one thing then back it up with a link. The poster is backing it up with Scripture. Same thing.

    Also, I even gave "rep" to those who know what they were talking about. Not the Peanut Gallery though. They had no clue... But, for those who "earned" respect by showing a knowledge of the material and understood the science was treated with respect... Those that chose the other path and posted retarded posts that tried to tarnish my character was treated such...
     
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    OUTSTANDING POST!!!!

    You will be repped...
     
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    Please pay attention to the fact that those that are 'cut off' or 'broken off' are those that Jesus knows to be afflicted with 'unbelief'. If the 'belief' is not there (ie unbelief) then there will not be "his kindness". By their fruits you shall know them.
     
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    Faith grows. There is nothing wrong with sincere questions. Ask God. Seek Him. Look to His Word. There is none that seek Him that He will turn away.

    Quantrill
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    But, what if I die still asking questions?
     
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    Well, thats what we have been discussing. There is nothing to prove God removes it.

    'Fervor' didn't obtain it in the first place. Why should lack of 'fervor' cause it to dissipate?

    Quantrill
     
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    Well, if you die asking questions and have never come to Christ as your Lord and Saviour, then you are lost for eternity.

    Quantrill
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    Come to him for answers? Of course I have. Who do you think I'm asking... :)
     
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    Let me offer a suggestion. Change your attitude and your method of approach when going to the Lord for answers.

    "Hbr 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. "

    Talk to Him like you are talking to us. Don't recite a prayer that has become a part of an automatic script. Believe me,, He knows what is on your heart and what is in your mind before you even speak it, so you might as well not put on a show of recitation... or of false humility... Talk to Him like a man, but a man that has the capability of meeting your needs and graciousness to tend to those needs.

    Just to clear the air and remove any doubt from your mind or the mind of others on this forum... that suggestion... those select words from scripture are not mine... So if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, then you are getting that suggestion from God.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can believe Jesus and still not want to do what he says.

    Seriously--this is such flawed reasoning that it's nearly ridiculous!

    There are many reasons a believing person may not chose to follow what Jesus says. Jesus talks of these kinds of people in the parable of the sower.
     
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    And your point?

    Nice of you to present such a pleasing OPINION.... but you failed to qualify that OPINION by submitting any evidence to support your claim. "Reasoning" is merely the ability to exercise "normal thinking".

    Regardless of the 'reason' (causation), If a believer does not adhere to (follow the instructions) of Jesus, then that person would be an unfaithful servant. That person would be submitting his/her person to another entity other than Jesus.

    Please explain where in the cite of the sower how 'these kinds of people' are exhibited within that scripture.
     
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    Like most things in The Bible, it's open to interpretation. The only actual sin listed as being "unforgivable" by God is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Once you've done that one, you're screwed. If you're a literalist.

    Personally, I don't believe a Christian or Non-Christian can ever lose their salvation - because I don't believe I am more loving and forgiving than God, which is what such a belief would suppose.
     
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    I don't think anything. I am stating what is the right way to be saved. You will have to fit your experiene in there as you see it.

    Quantrill
     
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    A non-Christian is not saved.

    Quantrill
     
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    Again, that's your interpretation which, btw proves that I am more loving than your version of God.
    Hmmm...
     
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    It is much apparent that you can disagree with church doctrine at which many may declare an individual not a Christian. I will say this, if you do believe in the Almighty how can you believe that a few guys could define him within the limited capacity of written language well after Jesus the Christ lived and physically passed from this earth? Then in closing of scripture a few good? men forbade God Almighty to ever speak again. Ah! Canonization and such!

    But I'm quite sure people who did not know Jesus of Nazareth personally could well speak in absolute truth about his intentions, motivations, and assign blame for his unjust public torture to Jewish priests as opposed to a faulty Roman Empire. :psychoitc:
    Peace
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    Which means nothing because you can't save anyone.

    Quantrill
     
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    As a Christian it is what I believe. The Bible is the Word of God and Jesus Christ is the Son of God and my Lord and Saviour.

    People can say a lot of things. The things I believe are from the Bible.

    Quantrill
     
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