Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

I love how the official conspiracy theorists shoot themselves in the foot here everyday saying an airliner hit it when even the spokesperson for that airliner said that it was not the wreakage of their airliner and ignoring the fact that the ground would have been charred crisp instead of being ALL green and neat like the pictures show and the worlds best pilots have said they could not make that incredible turn.

the offcial conspiracy theory apologists would be laughed out of a debating hall within a minute if they debated THERE the way they do here and they know it. they just get desperate and start making up lies to try and save face in defeat.

 

Well, at least we're back on topic, kind of.
Link to the source of this claim, please. I don't recall American Airlines saying any such thing.

 

Here's a question that comes to mind:

If anything but AA flight 77 hit the Pentagon, why would American Airlines have confirmed it was their plane?

 

They're part of the conspiracy,maaaaaaan!

 

This clearly points to US Airways having a big hand in 9/11. Their plans included 12 years of post 9/11 bankruptcy issues for AA so they could swoop and and take over.

Dastardly plan.....

 

We go from "no explosions" to "explosions that were not demolition". You gotta love the effort put forth here.

 

Do try to stay on topic. Dodgeball won't help you answer the Pentagon question.

 

Seems to work quite well for some. Take the conversations Jango engages one of the fellas here on. Continuous dodging.

 

Bump for the short attention spanned.

 

Nope.

That picture is taken from the many poor quality videos which you truthers love to stick to, ignoring the 2009 released higher quality one. [video]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cCKCN8TmauY/UPsE7TSmUII/AAAAAAAAARs/vgBcxcXIjr0/s1600/Pent3Full.jpg[/video]

Now are you going to be like Fraud, and take 5 pages to figure out the difference between poor and high quality video?

Are you going to be like a typical truther and stick in a circle about video to completely cover the fact it's only a very small portion of my blog? Are you going to ignore RADAR? FAA ATC? Pilots and other witnesses? Original documents and over 50 images of debris?
It's pretty normal for no planers to ignore the bulk of evidence, are you going to as well?

Not at all. The 757 isn't very close, he's coming in from a far distance. When the camera first catches him, he would have been at least 500 feet away. Your dimensions are completely out of wake and based on nothing.

What? You're not going to see a shadow from a grainy film of an object 500 feet away. Now you're being desperate. The video shows a 757. You're deliberately placing your truther blinkers on.

Oh really? A link to this "spokesperson" please.

Perhaps a look at the blog would work well for you. Have you even clicked the link?

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Boy some of those grass areas look pretty brown and covered in debris... But I guess "they" just ran around with week sprayer sacks and debris in the pocket, right?

Really? Who are the world best pilots? I'm be really interested to know who the "best" pilot in the "world" is. They must be pretty darn rubbish if they cannot even do this.


Over dramatisation is not uncommon with truthers. But I'm interested as to why none of you are addressing the entire blog? You don't do RADAR? How about witnesses? ATC recordings? What about Gofer 06 spotting a 757 hitting the Pentagon?

Are these not "recognisable" debris?

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Be sure to Click the Links this time boys.

 

I know,for years they were always saying they were NOT explosions and now some of the octa's are saying they WERE explosions but they were not demolition explosions.I see them doing that one message boards all the time everywhere.they cant even agree on that little fact,some still cling to that there were none and some are now saying they were explosions but not demolition explosions.love how they keep changing their stories when they are cornered,dont you? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa

 

I don't know what you are talking about. I have never said there were no explosions. I have always stated that explosions ≠ bomb. Which is entirely true. It just so happens that most of the reports truthers use of explosions are from fire fighters describing the collapse of the South Tower. There were many other sources, such as falling elevator cars, the impact of UA175, falling debris/bodies, many many sources. But yet again, you stray from topic. If you want to talk about explosions, go start a thread.

 

The original resolution is the original resolution is the original resolution. It can't be made any better without "enhancing it". Enhancing it requires MODIFICATION of the original source, therefore it's now a MODIFIED version of the original....and NOT the original, no matter what you try to paint it to look like.
Far as all the other 80 some odd cameras? I find it ridiculously asinine that NONE of them show anything that can be helpful in identifying the hoax. Let's see them....EVERY ONE OF THEM and let us judge for ourselves rather than second hand, filtered or edited propaganda.

 

How about that "16 foot entry hole" some truther was claiming earlier?
Did he ever 'fess up to being wrong?

 

The initial hole WAS 16 feet, and on the OUTSIDE of the building. When you gonna fess up chief?

 

You were shown the evidence that you were in error. Will you continue to ignore it?

That photo you posted was from the inner ring.

I'm referring to the link you put in this post, which is even labeled a punchout hole:
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/...erican-77-hit-pentagon-17.html#post1062287554

 

Everything anyone needs is right here to prove the "inconsistencies" are rampant throughout this fiasco. So much information, and practically every piece says something different than what the black ops folks want everybody to believe. Now, we've done this before. If you disagree with a clear, concise, particular point, then, voice your SPECIFIC problem and let's engage in honest debate. I'm going to try one more time just for the hell of it. Here it is:
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Now I'm going to duck out of here before the team swarms like vultures and begins their agenda of refocusing, and muddying the waters. Pay attention folks. I'll try to keep them pinned down to one aspect or another if I can. (their training is good though so, we will see how it goes).

 

How about addressing the specific inconsistency to the claim you made - as I posted above - before you go changing the subject and ducking?

ETA: Oh Lord ... do you even read what you link to? From your link:

The Masonic Eye left on the lawn as a calling card of the Illuminati?? THAT'S your source's evidence??

Still ... address the first link (Punchout) first, we can examine your Masonic Eye Theory later.

 

'masonic eye on the lawn'...might as well have said they saw jesus on a slice of pizza

 

An update to my blog. The section under Air Traffic Control Recordings has been redone. The audio I was linking was posted by youtube user FLT111. Recently I've been helping him out with collecting the full flight recordings for the flights and he has uploaded a new full set for AA77.

Part 1.
[video=youtube;Oztmf5Q5dGY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oztmf5Q5dGY[/video]

Part 2.
[video=youtube;1ve-hRbimhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ve-hRbimhg[/video]

 

The Freedom Filels site reeks so strongly of stupidity that I nearly gagged when I opened it. I could devote a whole thread to the debunking of three or four paragraphs of that garbage.

It is, of course, all garbage.So let's start with the assertion that a "team of investigators" produced evidence of a North of Citgo (NOC) approach of the aircraft. Total crap. Some of their witnesses would not have even seen the aircraft on such a course. All of them who could see both the aircraft and the Pentagon have it flying into the building. Whatever hit the building had to come from South of Citgo (SOC,) based on the pattern of destruction seen inside the building.

Craig and Aldo are dim. There is simply no other word for it. Couldn't figure out the source of an odor in the house if they found a mummified skunk in the heating duct. If you think those turds produced some useful evidence, by all means, start a thread. I would love to pick their loopy theories to shreds in greater detail.

Then, the site links to statements from that brain-damaged thug Ventura. The boy had his last functioning synapses shaken lose on a stretched canvas years before 9/11.

"In Plane Site" is total crap. Von Kleist has no clue what he is talking about. Again, if you think either of those morons has something, start a thread. Von Kleist has no background in any relevant field of investigation and is just pulling stuff out of the latrine and calling it evidence.

 

Hey leftysergeant

You keep talking as if you had credibility. You keep forgetting that you destroyed your credibility a while back when you said these things.
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/290910-do-you-trust-us-government-11.html#post1062370641

I suppose you're trying to bury that part of the debate to reduce the number of people who see it.

What do all of you other pro-official version posters think of what he said?

 

Check out what Webster Tarpley says at the 59:20 time mark of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF1GUusfp-0

The mqm-107 drone may have been the craft that hit the Pentagon.
http://www.google.es/#hl=es&gs_nf=3...024&bih=549&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&cad=b

Look at this picture which shows the nose of the craft that hit the Pentagon.
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg

It looks exactly the same as the nose of the mqm-107 drone.

 

This original picture released by the government shows very clear trees in the background.
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg

Nothing is blocking the trees.

In this picture something is blocking the trees.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cCKCN8TmauY/UPsE7TSmUII/AAAAAAAAARs/vgBcxcXIjr0/s1600/Pent3Full.jpg

Give us a break. That picture has been doctored by sophists to mislead people.

Tell us what you think of leftysergeant's explanation posted in this link.
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/290910-do-you-trust-us-government-11.html#post1062370641

 

I think you're desperately crying for attention and changing the topic of multiple threads.

Do you see the scary Masonic eye? Oooooooooooo