Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

Hi all. As you can see I'm new here. However, as many of you will see after googling username, I'm certainly not new at this topic.

Over a few months, I've put together an easy to flow blog page to provide as much evidence as I possibly can that American 77 hit the Pentagon on 9/11 (you'll have to forgive the title, I wrote it as a troll but now do not know how to change it..).

therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz is the link.

The blog, as you will see, consists of the available video evidence (higher quality, 2009 release of the booth videos), eye witness accounts and summaries, Radar data, Air Traffic Control data, NEADS/NORAD recordings, Flight Data Recorder information/NTSB reconstruction, hijacker profile with aviation summery, 737 type rating certificate and also including the original flight manifest, over 60 images detailing debris confetti, some recognisable American Airlines and/or 757 debris, damage to the facade and inside the building, several videos demonstrating airliners moving very fast at extremely low level, DNA summary of victims from American 77 and inside the Pentagon, full time line excerpts, a rebuttal of the $2.3Trillion 'missing' myth, and finally a full flight reconstruction of American 77 from take off to impact, with original Air Traffic Control re-recordings (created by myself. The other 3 flight reconstructions are available on my YouTube channel). Total of over 100 pieces of evidence which I believe combines to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that American 77, and only American 77, impacted the Pentagon on 9/11.

For those here who believe American 77 did not hit the Pentagon, have I provided anything that has made you question your current belief?

 

Love that screen capture of the aircraft in-bound. Just wondering if you could post one from the frame just prior so that those who have the inclination and brains can do a comparison of what the area in front of the smoke trail looks like.

You might be amazed to learn how many idiots have taken the smoke trail for the aircraft, leading to the "A-3 Skywarrior" myth.

 

Good idea. Done. I realise too that the link didn't paste correctly.

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/

 

The proof that the craft that hit the Pentagon wasn't a 757 is crushing. I already discussed this on this other thread. Start at post #3.
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/275987-few-debunking-links.html

 

I've used your website so much cjnewson LoL. I think they've seen it here a few times, but with the same results. Handwaiving. Then Fatfreddy88 comes and posts to his same debunked stuff.

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I've used your website so much cjnewson LoL. I think they've seen it here a few times, but with the same results. Handwaiving. Then Fatfreddy88 comes and posts to his same debunked stuff.

 

I would say the proof a 757 did impact the Pentagon is crushing. Over 100 pieces of evidence crushing. Did you visit the site Scott? If you did. then tell me what I am missing. What can I add to that site which would change your mind about American 77 hitting the Pentagon?

 

Crushing proof? Excuse me? There is a 757-sized imprint on the facade along with holes big enough to admit the rigid central deck of the aircraft, the clear imprint of the counterweight of the rudder slightly to the right of the window above the hole that the fuselage made.

There is sod all to suggest that anything OTHER THAN a 757 could have made those marks.

 

I want to believe that an airplane hit the Pentagon. I'm skeptical, though.

Nice approach. Humble. Definitely not arrogant, or anything.

Video evidence is what I want more of. Alternatively, I don't understand how the pilot of the plane maneuvered the machine the way he did with as limited skill as he possessed. Hence, my skepticism. (Flight 77 NTSB Flight Data Recorder Analysis)
I laughed at the disclaimer about the fish-eye lens. Some of the footage I've never seen before. I've never seen the object "so clearly" as it enters the frame. Some of the footage I didn't know where to look, even after several re-watches.


This is straight trutherdom, and I think you know it. A way blurred out image with the "Don't you see it?" mentality.

Yes, witnesses. I particularly enjoy the one newsman eyewitness that talks about how the wings folded back as the plane disappeared into the building (without exploding, mind you). So however many tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel exploded only within the Pentagon.



Now, I'm not saying that the entry wound should be identical or anything, but closeness in shape and size would be more comforting. Nevertheless, key identifying markers are missing... even if they're labeled in some pictures.

Yes, radar information. Not that is wasn't compromised entirely by a war game or anything, putting false/phantom blips on. So how, exactly, do you propose to tell which blips from available data are in fact legit planes/machines in the air, and which ones are the phantoms?

"This is, uh... ... Jacobs." That made me chuckle. Anyway, they spent a lot of time repeating the same stupid line, radio checking. And, is that the extent of the recording of the air traffic communication in regards to flight 77? Furthermore, what does the cockpit voice recorder sound like?

The part about Ted Olson talking to his wife on the phone. I've heard that it is not true. The call lasted 0:00. The FBI supposedly released this information in 2006 during the trial of the twentieth hijacker.


You don't note anything unusual with that time frame?


Since we're on the topic of the Pentagon. Why did the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, perform the actions that he did after the Pentagon had been attacked?

 

Skill my ass! He hit a bunch of light poles and a generator and some cable spools pretty near big enough to have deflected him. Why didn't he go for the roof? Just do a normal landing and you take off a couple square miles of it and set everything on fire. Going for a wall runs trhe risk of just digging a Shanksville-type crater.

Resolution drops with distance with that sort of lens. None the less, in all the other screen captures, even from the degraded original release, you do have those same colors in one frame but not in that immediately prior or imediately after.

To a trained eye, the white trail is very obviouslly smoke. I could tell that from the get-go, having seen it in real life on acouple of occassions.

The wings may have appeared to fold back, but, in fact, largely shattered outboard from the engine mounts. The impact of the left wing crushed and stripped off the limestone cladding from the ground floor half-way to the fire station but did not enter. To the right of the hole, on the second floor, visible right over that burning generator, there is a crushed area where theoutbboard part of the wing hit and shattered. Some of the fuel, again, stored outborad of the engines, did, in fact, deflagrate outside the building, even though the majority entered with the fuselage and engines.

Because he is a drooling imbecile.

 

Why the massive amount of handwaving that follows then?

Like as have already stated, I did it as a troll, only to figure out it could not be changed afterwards.

This is the best video you are ever going to see. There are no others which even had a chance of capturing an object moving the speed of a bullet. Did you not see the profile of the hijacker I included? His 737 type certificate? And you say limited skills.. I'd like to see you try and pass a 737 type test Jango.

Why? It's true. Fish eye's distort the peripheral areas. You have a problem with this concept?

Except you can clearly make out distinctive features, such as both engines, the nose, the tail fin, and even the livery. This is effectively you putting your hands over your eyes and not wanting to see what is quite obviously in front of you.

You have a problem with witnesses too? Did you watch the 2nd to last video in the witness section? Did you watch any? The fact is, you do have a problem with witnesses. Because there are no witnesses who saw anything other than an aircraft hit the Pentagon. None who saw a fly over, none who saw a missile, and all of them who saw an airliner. I can see how this would be a problem for you.

No, it will not look identical. The towers, and the Pentagon have absolutely nothing in common structurally. One was designed to be light weight, with a hollow mesh of perimeter columns designed for vertical (not lateral) loads. The other, was a 1940's design military installation with concrete reinforced perimeter wall designed for vertical loading, as well as lateral forces from external blasts, and steel reinforced concrete columns evenly spaced throughout the entire building. Its not hard to figure out why American 77 did less visible damage than AA11 and UA175. Did you see this however?


A rather large impact hole.

RADAR data is pulled from multiple civilian sites as well as a couple of military sites. The raw RADAR data does not contain any fake or 'simulated' blips. To say otherwise makes you totally ignorance of how radar systems work. Although for a short time AA77 did not display on ATC screens (due to the way RADAR filters information) American 77 was tracked the entire way by several RADAR sites. If you feel the need, you can download the raw RADAR yourself, and the 84RADES software/projects, and check them for yourself.

He's saying "this is DACOS" as in Indianapolis DACOS RADAR position. ATC controllers sometimes work different RADAR positions.. so the guy temporarily forgot which position he was at and had to think about it.. The controller repeated the same line because he had no idea what happened to the aircraft which he was looking after. He assumed it had crashed. And no, this is not the extent of the ATC recordings. The full ATC recording can be seen in my reconstruction at the bottom of the page, and even that just has a small amount of the recordings. You can download the full amount with the RADAR information from 911datasets.org, and hear all the other conversations which were running in the background. But I doubt you will.

The CVR was destroyed. They only recovered the FDR was American 77.

I heard something a long those lines too, however never looked into it due to its irrelevance pertaining to whether AA77 hit the Pentagon or not.

No, should I? But then again, I know in great depth what occurred over the skies on 9/11, and so no, nothing unusual about that time frame at all.

What do you think is unusual about that?

Which actions were these?

 

Common sense indicates that much for sure. Fetch those confiscated cameras and we'd know the truth but alas... it's not to be.

 

Uh, except the confiscated tapes have already been released via an FOIA request. You should probably catch up.

 

You're trying to get get a 'truther' to use facts and evidence. Stop that.

 

Ummm, no you can't, but the US government can by releasing all the video's!

Of course I don't believe that the plane hit the Pentagon or didn't, which is why I demand more transparency, instead of engaging in a never ending game of circle jerk!

 

Source?

 

Google is your friend.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080208102217/http://www.flight77.info/85videos.html

More detail at:
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos

 

Listen man, I get tired of this with you!

Stop with the 100 page links where you don't even find the page the information is located on.

You might as well post a link with a picture of you like this:




You might as well link me to Google!

Duh, here is my source the interwebs https://www.google.com/


Edit, oh wait it looks like I found some useful information in one of your sources:

Looks like your source says your friend is a fat mouthed liar about releasing more then one tape!

 

You offered us a link to aNazi site as evidence. That indicated to me that it is you who suffers an acute form of capitus in ano here.

Nazis lie. Ir's there profession.

 

Nice attempt at a headline change!

So did palgue311 just make a claim that was undeniable BS, and then Hannible just tried to cover it up?

Look ,more BS claims by you, claiming I linked something to a Nazi sight, and once again providing no source propagandists!!!!

 

The merit of the rense and infowars pages is called into questioned in the link provided by hannibal- those pages were not used as supporting references.

 

No it wasn't! It was provided as a response to my directly quoted question where I asked for a source to Plauge311 claims.

You guys really do suck at this!!

 

Back in 2003 9/11 researchers would often demand the release of videos showing what happened to the Pentagon. "Why aren't they available", they would ask: "surely that would clear everything up? What do they have to hide?"

The Pentagon security camera footage was then released at the Moussaoui trial, but of course cleared up nothing at all. The Citgo and Doubletree footage followed, but didn't show the impact site. End of the story? No, because some people have claimed there are far more videos that are still being suppressed:
FBI Hides 85 Pentagon Videos And 9/11 Truth

Patriots Bronco Bingham and attorney Scott Hodes continue their battle with the FBI to pry loose the 85 videos from the security cameras galore in the Pentagon vicinity...
http://www.rense.com/general69/91185.htm


The FBI is withholding at least another 84 surveillance tapes that were seized in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the Pentagon.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm


As usual, however, these claims aren't entirely as they seem.
The Maguire Declaration

The 84/ 85 figure for videos came about as the result of a FOIA request for videos showing the Pentagon impact. FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire responded with the following point:
...I subsequently searched a series of FBI evidence databases, including the FBI's Electronic Case File system and the FBI's Investigative Case Management System, and determined that the FBI possessed eighty-five (85) videotapes that might be potentially responsive to plaintiff's FOIA request. This determination was based on videotapes that had been submitted into FBI evidence, sent directly to the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, and/or obtained by the FBI's Washington Field Office.
(Source images below)


The FBI are talking about 85 videos, but this is just the result of an initial search that includes (for example) all videos obtained by the Washington Field Office. If we move on from that then the numbers begin to fall dramatically.

56 "of these videotapes did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11."

Of the remaining 29 videotapes, 16 "did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon."

Of the 13 remaining tapes, 12 "only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77."

Only one tape showed the Pentagon impact: the Pentagon's own security camera footage, that would later be released.

 

First, Source?

I will never understand how people on this website think they can post something without a link!

Second, if you are asking people to believe that only 1 camera caught the Pentagon on tape that day, then you must think people are more retarded then I do!

 

Poppycock.

How many are "PUBLICLY" available? How many were confiscated?