Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9bmnIISrvg

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

 

Bartmer is not a fire fighter, probably never heard a structure that large collapse, probably never heard demolition charges going off, so had no basis for his blather other than the fact that it was one God-awful experience. His respiratory problems have sod-all to do with how the attacks were carried out by whom.

Vodvarka was retired long before 9/11 and was not on the scene. He brings nothing but "It didn't look right." This is worthless for forensic purposes.

Idiot boy Lawyer is a rookie and was not there and does not dare show his face among the fire fighters that were there.

He got laughed off the forum at FireHouse.com, one of the more prestigious sites on the web and recognized pretty widely as a good source of answers.

You have a double scoop of diddly.

 

There are idiots in every profession. Most actual fire fighters consider Lawyer to be talking out of his ass.

 

Covering up a crime makes you complicit. You are claiming that the NY Times and NYPD are complicit in mass murder in order to save their jobs.

 

Makes you wonder what holston's done to keep his job

 

thats a fact too complicated for the OCTA'S to understand.lol.

 

Who pays you to run away from debates?

 

ESPECIALLY when you try and spell it out to them DUMMIES STYLE that yeah,firefighters THEMSELVES would not back down if the death threats were given to just them, but thats not how our government operates though.

These operatives in our intelligence apparatus here our country,they wont stop there at just giving death threats to the firefighters,they know that wont stop them so what they do next that they know WILL stop them is they take it a step further.

Since they know these death threats wont stop most the firefighters,they take it to the next level and threaten the lives of their wifes AND children.I mean these are their LOVED ONES were talking about who mean the world to them and life itself.I guarantee you,you ask any parent if they had a death threat given not to them but to their children,they are going to kep quiet and go along with them ESPECIALY when we are talking about people in high positions of power within the government who can easily pull this off.

Also unlike back in the 60's,americans dont trust our government anymore.they are aware of the corruption that goes on now.Back then,pretty much the majority of people except the ones on the inside who had the know all,all trusted our government back then we the CIA controlled media told america that Kennedy was shot in dallas by a lone nut assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.well there was never a shread of evidence that he did it and when all the facts came out over the years with overwhelming proof there was at LEAST one other shooter involved and how the warren commission omitted key facts and testimony,americans dont trust our government anymore.

Now from polls taken over the years,polls show that 80% of americnas no longer accept the lies and b.s of our government that oswald was the lone assassin.80% is a pretty HUGE number.

they know how evil and corrupt our government was back then,anyone who STILL believes that b.s by our government that oswald was the lone assassin,is a complete idiot.

americans are aware now of what lengths the government will go to now.thats how his assassination still affects us to this day because if the government can kill the president of the united sstates and get away with it scott free,then they can easily kill any of us as well and NONE of us are safe from them.

I have said this many times before but NOBODY here,even the truthers it seems wont quote me on this and talk about this.they are the only ones I have an interest in hearing on about this.the shills will just ignore it so I got them all on my ignore list since they ignore facts.

but the 9/11 event follows the same pattern of the kennedy assassination.many people who came forward in the JFK assassination who gave a version different than the governments talking about seeing a gunman behind the picket fence firing a rifle,all died in mysteriosu deaths. many witnesses over the years kept who saw a gunamn behind the picket fence firing a rifle,kept quiet over the years because of how people died mysteriously who gave a different version that the governments same with 9/11. Barry Jennings died CONVEINIENTLY for the government just two days before the NIST report came out.how conveinient for NIST since he would have shreadded to pieces their lies and b.s.

I imiagine several decades later,more and more people will come forward as well in this case as well with information about explosioves being planted also.

Jennings just like that one lady whom Holston was talking about earlier who went on Jones show saying she would never take her own life and then ALLEGEDLY she then later on changes her mind and commits suicide after telling Jones for nobody to believe the official version of the police report,and the shills here,ignore all this and just chuck it all up as a coincidence,the mysterious deaths of her and Jennings.

yeah great couple of links there Holston but like RT said,the shills wont even read it.

 

Too many movies, kiddo. Not everyone in the world is a coward.

 

someone here as usual,is desperate for attention from me and talking to himself again I see.that is scary stuff someone who feels the need to talk to themselves.

 

Really? I must have missed it, please Jango. Enlighten me. Show me visual proof that there was a van with a mural painted on the side of it that displayed a plane flying into each WTC. It must be visual proof, and it can't come from a truther site. If you get to set standards for sources, then so does everyone else. I want it from the NYtimes, Fox news, CNN, or MSNBC. Thanks.

So..you didn't answer my question. Great. Thanks. Again, why weren't they at the Pentagon if they had foreknowledge, further more, why weren't they at the towers to begin with? Why would they be so far away? Why not get closer?

Practice what you preach buddy. If Occam's Razor was applied on these boards truthers would be sliced to shreds.

What intelligence work? It was proven that the terrorists flew on several flights before the hijacking. They picked the days that fewer people were on board, longer flights for more gas, etc. They didn't need a bunch of people doing intel, that's the glory of the plan, Jango. It didn't require much to pull off

Suspected, proves nothing, unless you have proof it's a fact. Also, what happened to the detainees? Charges brought? Anything? Point of saying this? None? K.

Oh snap, that was punny.

Fact, evidence, experts. None of which you have provided. All you have brought so far is paranoid delusions, and theories. Get back to me when you've got something worth a damn.

I parrot factual information backed up by reliable sources. The things that "fall into the gray area" don't mean much to me, as for the most part weird things will happen in situations like these.

 

You actually said something accurate. The day I reach out to any of the 4t websites (pilots4truth, ff4truth, etc.) for evidence or factual information is the day I put a bullet in my head. Only then would I realize that I am doing more harm to this world than good.

 

You know you read everything I say. Your pretense is amusing, though.

 

also like you were saying earlier Holston,Jennings death was about as much not a murder as was palfreys death was.The lady who was one of the survivors talking of hearing explosives go off in the towers and then saying she would never take her own life then allegedly changing her mind in later weeks after that and then committing suicide after saying she would never take her own life.no foul play on her and no foul play on Jennings either or any of these other people that died mysterious deaths as well.sure there werent,and im the king of England.

so much for his courageous fireman argument.

 

WTF is an OCTA?

I have done several searches and don't seem to come up with much other than the Ohio\Orange Counter Transit. Someone shed some light on me so I know if he's calling me an animal or some form of shill.

 

Official Conspiracy Theory A$$.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhnNy5EsebA&feature=player_embedded

 

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/

 

Wow....just wow.

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Why are all of your videos over an hour long? Why can't you just link factual information in a non wall-of-text that we can look at?

A fact for you, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching some retarded video that based off of conjecture and lies. Give me the gist of it, or quit wasting my time.

 

I always thought is was Official Caretakers of Truth in Acronyms.

 

You are a waste of time. I've already told you. My posts aren't intended for you.

No amount of evidence is going to change a Hasbarats lines.

Any one who says anything they don't approve of is called demented or something.

Any source that says anything they don't approve of is called unreliable, except not put so politely.

 

Perhaps if you weren't so wrapped up in anger and hatred.

 

Unless it was said by a Jew. Then you're on the same page.

 

Dood? Seriously? No more Christmas cards? No more idle chit chat back and forth? Et tu, Brute? This hurts dood, this hurts.

I still don't really know what a Hasbarat is, but I also really don't care. Those two are probably linked somehow. I didn't know I had lines. I generally change it up, don't want people thinking I'm a shill, heh. *looks around nervously*

Right? Or something? I'm scooping what you're pooping, big buddy. Seriously though, I do believe what I say. Mostly due to the mountain of evidence confirming it.

No, sources that are proven to be unreliable due to reality are deemed unreliable.

 

What? She was a hooker who claimed to have had some 'high up' clients and overheard a thing or two while she was doing her business with them. She was not a survivor of the attacks. She had nothing to do with them. She committed suicide months after she talked to Alex Jones and said she wouldn't, in which time life had got so bad for her she was forced to move back in with her mother. How many depressed people say they would never commit suicide and then go ahead and do it? Yikes. You can't even get your story right or think logically.

I've already proven to you Jennings did not agree with your conspiracy lies, he did not believe 9/11 was an inside job, and the 'black out' he experienced in the OEM, followed half an hour later by 'everything going dark and the stairway collapsing' on the way down has been proven to be caused by the collapse of towers 1 and 2. I proved this to you here. But I guess you never read it, right?