Can Muslims Ever Be Trusted ? (asked of non-Muslims)

There is really no point in debating him.

He has decided that Islam is not a real religion because...well because he is the judge in such matters, and every legal, and religious authority that says otherwise of course is wrong, and he is right.

Its just a xenophobic, biggoted point of view.

 

Very weak retort, if it could even be classed as that.

 

Although the New Testament contains stuff I consider equivalent to fairy tales (Genesis, Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark), still it is by far different morally than the Koran. The Koran preaches hate, war, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, and numerous other vile practices. In contrast the New Testament (Christian bible) reflects the teachings of Jesus Christ (love and peace). To say it is equal to the Koran is preposterous, and not even worthy of responding to.

As for how many Muslims I know well, regarding Islamization, here are some Muslims (and non-Muslims) I am concerned about knowing of :

Ibin Taamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall , Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik , Imam Jamal Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran, Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, Abdullah Azzam, Fazlur Rehman Khalil , Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves, Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma , Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison, Abdullah al-Arian, ,Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Paul Sperry, P.David Gaubatz, Chris Gaubatz, Stefanie Creswell, Charety Zhe, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Jaffar the Pilot, Mohammad Weiss Rasool, Brian P. Fairchild, Peter M. Leitner, Sergeant Naveed I. Butt, Bill Bratton, Jamal Barzinji, Ingrid Mattson, Safaa Zarzour, Khalid Iqbal, James "Yousef" Yee, Ahmed Alwani, Taja Alwani, Warith Deen Umar, Tom Harrington, John Guandolo, Patrick Sookhdeo, Gaddoor Saidi, Muhammad Usmani, Mahdi Bray, Ali al-Timimi, Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, Sayyid Quth, Zaid Shakir, Hamdan al-Shalawi, Muhammed al-Qudhaieen, Omar Shain, Hani Hanjour, Kenneth Williams, Edward Sloan, Ismail Elbarasse, Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, George Sadler, Mohammed Akram Adlouni, Zeid al-Noman, Shukri Aby Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Sayyid Syeed, Bassem Osman, Ahmed Elkadi, Mahboob Khan, Suhail Khan, Mufid Abdulgader, Abdelhaleem Ashqar, Frank Gaffney, Sue Myrick, Abuhena Saifulislam, Ali "the American" Mohamed, Juan Zarate, Hisham Altalib, Mohammed Shamma, Ahmad Sakr, Abdullah bin Laden, Mohamed Jamal Khalifah, Ahmad Mohamed Ali, Joey Musmar, Lina Morales.

 

Really ! So you're sure you could say that Christians have killed 270 million people around the world since the 7th century AD ? You're sure that Christians advocate wife beating, like the Koran (4:34) ? You're sure that Christians (now in 2011) advocate genocide,like the Koran (8:12, 9:5, et al) ? You're sure that Christians today advocate pedophilia, and have knowledge of Christ being a pedophile like Mohammed was ? You're sure that Christians today kill millions of innocent animals as a religious ritual, like Muslims kill on Eid al-Adha ? You're sure that Christ owned slaves like Mohammed, and that he killed hundreds of enemies like Mohammed did ?

I could go much further with this, but the Muslim part is literally making me sick.

 

You said "what a violent and bloodthirsty religion Christianity is".
"Is" indicates present tense (Oct. 29, 2011). OK. Show how, in this present day, what you said is factual. Let's hear it.

 

Bigot card died out with the OJ Simpson trial (17 years ago). Got any up-to-date cards ?

 

Yes, I am certain Christianity has, and still does, commits atrocities on the level of abhorrence that Islamic fundamentalists have committed. Haven't you heard of the LRA(Lords Revolution Army)? They believe that all law besides the ten commandments are void. They have committed crimes against humanity (and still do) in central Africa in the name of Jesus Christ. As for the Bible, Moses advocated massacres of civilians, And God killed children.

 

No I haven't heard of LRA. But I doubt if they have committed over 17,000 terrorist attacks since 2001, as Muslims have. If they had, they'd be a household name. They're not.

As for your first sentence, I am certain Christianity has NOT, and DOES NOT commits atrocities on the level of abhorrence that Islamic fundamentalists have committed. (270 million people killed over 1400 years)

 

Did you know that Hitler was raised as a Catholic?

 

Some Christians do, doesn't mean all/ or the majority of Christians do though.

 

No. Absolutely not.

 

What are you referring to?

 

so do you have a link proving that this number of deaths is attributed to Islam?

you keep citing this, but never provide any reputable source.

as has been pointed out to you NUMEROUS times - thi si s like attributing all deaths that occurred as the result of european expansion into the new world, africa and asia, all deaths resulting from colonial occupations, all civil wars in christian countries, etc etc ... to christianity.

you want to compare like with like?


in Rwanda there were nuns killing people with machetes.

clearly - the rwanda genocide was caused by christianity.

the germans were nominally a christian country during the thirties and forties - therefore the holocaust occurred because of christianity ....


and so on....

 

haven't heard of the LRA?

if there was no oil in the arab world, and the state of Israel hadn't been created (which happened after the actions of Jewish terrorist groups) you probably wouldn't have heard of Islam either.

 

For me it is never about the religion, it is the people who misused islam to pursue its political agenda for their own benefits. Unfortunately, there are quite number illeterate among muslims people, they do what they being told to do and they thought whatever they have been told to them is the right way and what Allah want them to do. Unfortunately it is not.

Moreover, Culture and religion is two different things. Just because the arabs kill each other, mistreated women, you can assumed that it is apart of islam. Wife beating, molesting, rape, kill, cheat, drugs, alchohol, cigarette, child 's labour, disrespectful towards other human being are against islam, period ! and it is stated in Quran. Whatever they said in the name of islam by killing and bombing is never an islamic way of life.

I am a muslim myself and 60% of employees at my work place are muslims. For me it is easier to handle and discipline them because one thing they are aware off whatever they do, they need to answer to Allah. They may able pull my leg but they can never cheat to the one and only.

 

No I haven't.

I'd have heard of it if I was involved in any of these things :

http://www.omegatimes.com/article.php?intid=1330

http://www.clickorlando.com/money/3614199/detail.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291569,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472393/#.Tq5Uc3K2IpM

http://blogs.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/jul/19/the-flying-imams---act-two/

 

Why should I care ?

 

you claim Islam is the driver of all these events - why do you ignore that it is within human nature to twist any belief or ideology - and that Islam is no more inherently evil than is the religion that Hitler was raised in, or any other belief system?

why can you not see that?

My guess is it is because you are a very sad little man with an obsession about Islam - you need bad guys in your world who are responsible for every crime ever committed.

and because you lack historical context - the current fad with attacking Islam meets your needs.

 

But Christians aren't told to do it (wife beating) by their bible, as Muslims as are told in the Koran. Nothing is more stupid than trying to equate Christianity with Islam. It's like trying to equate blood donors with serial slasher killers.

 

http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

I could give 2 dozen more, but its getting late and this one source has many multiple sources within it.

It not like comparing new world colonialism to Christianity. Christianity's New Testament doesn't say to go out and kill non-believers. The Koran does.

 

Because its source the Koran instructs Muslims to kill, and so IS inherently evil, that's why. I have loads of historical context* (all the history of Muslim conquest for 1400 years. Attacking Islam is not a fad. It is the result of years of research, discovering Islam to be attacking us. We respond to defend ourselves.

* historical context ? HAHA. Muslims love to use the word "context". Here's your history. Watch the video > http://islammustbestopped.blogspot.com/2009/01/islam-what-west-needs-to-know-part-6.html

 

Moses instructs his followers to kill those who don't follow the Ten Commandments. "To stone them". Do you think he meant this literally or metaphorically? Either way, it's in our Bible. This stuff is said in the Koran too, do you think it is meant in a literal or metaphoric manner?

 

I think the same thing that Islamic jihadists have thought for 1400 years. It's meant literally, of course.

 

I DID say reputable sources.

I gather you have no idea what that word means?

the rest of your claims are just the rantings of a conspiracy theorist obsessed with Islam.

you ar eno different from those islamic extremists who tell lies about the west, just to garner support for their sick ideology.

you have more in common with al qaeda supporters than with any christian that I know.

 

Whether it was meant literally or metaphorically, you do not see modern Christians stoning anybody.

In the New Testament you see Christ chastising those who would stone a young woman.

Barbaric (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s who call themselves peaceful muslims stone women in modern times.