Can Muslims Ever Be Trusted ? (asked of non-Muslims)

No it most certainly is not my opinion. It is absolute FACT. The Koran was written in the 7th century and no terrorist of the past 30 years was born even prior to the 20th century.

And of course Islam is not a religion. Only a sucker would think that it is. It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims, and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

 

I asked you first. You give the evidence that what I said is "incorrect".
You made the statement - back it up.

 

Ok, first of all, it is your opinion. Second of all, u want to know why terrorists to your knowledge didn't exist before the 20th Century? Well, common sense pretty much answers this one. It either wasn't recorded or it never happened because there was no technology to let it. For example, any real terrorist today could get their hands on a bomb if they really wanted to, but back then, what were they going to committ a terrorist attck with?A sword?

 

I think that you should stop and think about how much offence you could be causing people!!! It is offensive and if you believe what you say then thats fine, but don't go around putting other people and their RELIGION down. As I said, why don't you critic our Bible before you go and critic the sacred techings of other Religions.

 

What the hell are you talking about ? I didn't want to know "why[/I] terrorists to your knowledge didn't exist before the 20th Century." Of course they existred before the 20th century. They have been in existence for 1400 years, through the entire history of Islam. And yes, they used swords. And killed 270 million people with them for 1400 years. You don't know much about Islam do you ?

Now, back to what I did want to know. I asked you to produce evidence that what I said in post # 96 was "incorrect". That was the word you spoke. Back it up, or withdraw it.

 

It should be offensive. it is a vile, book of hate and filth. It is genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, rape, robbery, torture, mutilation, animal cruelty, and just about every thing that is awful. it is a terrible ideology that was never meant to be a religion. That was just a ploy contrived by Mo the Pedophile and his merry men, that stuck and stuck.

If Muslims are offended by the truth, TOUGH ! It is not up to non-Muslims to kiss their asses and pretend Islam is OK when it is the worst abomination in world history, responsible for the killings of 270 million people, the kidnappings of many millions of black Africans and enslavement of them, uncountable instances of pedophilia upon innocent children, and many other sickening, vile things. Muslims need to stand up and admit this book of hate (the Koran) needs to be reformed. And the reason why I don't criticize the bible is because the bible doesn't have millions of uncivilized, barbaric savages running around killing people, and trying to overthrow nations, and replace them with a terrible ideology. Only Islam is doing that.

 

Actually, it was post # 98. Ok, I will settle with this. My statement of "Ïncorrect" is my opinion based your opinion. Yes of course every captured Muslim terrorist will blame the Koran as any Christian terrorist would blame the Bible. Just look at the terrorist attack in Norway with the Catholic guy blaming his actions on Christianity. It is because they are fanatics. They only represent an extremely small percentage of Muslims and Christians and any other Religion.

 

This is all in your opinion. 99% of Muslims don't act the way you are describing the Koran preaches. From what I hear, you sound like you can only see one viewpoint, being yours. What would you say if someone said the exact same thing about Christianity? Because I would tell them that they are entitled to their opinion. What would you do/say?

 

Well now isn't that a surprise! I'm sure I'd find a 'common thread' of the Bible if I questioned members of lunatic Christian fringe groups - I strongly suspect that it's the driving force behind Westboro Baptist Church and their activities - that doesn't make them representative of the entirety of the membership of their religion either!

 

Protectionist, have you actually read the Quran, or do you simply get your information from anti Islamic websites?

I think that people who have actually read the Quran are more qualified to state an opinion. I have read the Quran, and I keep a copy of it in my bookcase. Its one of my most prized possessions, and through reading it, I have discovered that Islam is a wonderful religion, which can unfortunately be misinterpreted by a few nutjobs - much like Christianity can be misinterpreted by a few Christian nutcases who blow up abortion clinics.

You might insist that Islam teaches to be pedophiles (a stupid opinion, if I might say) and to blow things up, but if you have read the Bible, you must know that Christianity teaches you to marry your rapist and to get your father drunk before having sex with him.

Yet here you are, defending one religion while claiming that one religion that you don't like isn't a religion at all.

 

Islam IS a religion. By every recognised definition of the word 'religion', Islam is one. It is recognised universally as such throughout the world, by religious leaders, politicians (of all sides), academics and the general population. In every centre for studying religions, in every report or table drawn up to compare religions and religious communities, and in every statement on religion from all over the world it is defined as a religion. Even the Pope defines Islam as a religion:
http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/Catholic-Church/The-Bishops-Work/Dialogue-with-Other-Religions/Vatican-messages

Constantly asserting that something is 'fact' does not make it true, especially when everyone else in the world knows that it is nonsense! Islam IS a religion. Always has been, always will be. Being filled with hatred for that particular religion and its followers does not mean that that simple truth somehow isn't true.

 

Being 'reasonable, even handed and fair' by judging people on their own merits and according to their own actions as individuals is nothing to do with 'political correctness' - it's simple common decency and common sense, and a refusal to be controlled by mob mentality and sensationalist hateful propaganda about the reported 'evils' of particular 'groups'. Judging individuals on the basis of reported actions by other individuals with whom they happen to share certain characteristics of race, religion or anything else is a ridiculous way to go through life. People are individuals, capable of thinking for themselves and doing right or wrong according to their own individual decisions - it is their own individual decisions and actions on which they should be judged, not on the decisions and actions of others.

 

Exactly what I was trying to say. Protectionist, it sounds as if you have "double standards".

 

Yes, sure that is true that you have read the Qur'an!! Quiz? gets even funnier.

So " if the Koran said nothing more than those 3 suras, that would be enough to convict it as a hate book full of hate speech" What say you of Leviticous?

 

Protectionist. Seriously, your being ridiculous. You asked for people's opinions and this is what you got. Yes some areas of The Qur'an are undoubtedly worrying. The Bible is just as worrying. Post every passage of the Qur'an you believe to be immoral and I will respond with passages of equal amorality from the Bible. It is a fact of Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism), that their sacred texts contain moral contradictions. And seriously, how many Muslims do you know well?

 

How stupid is that opinion? They believe in the Abrahamic God. Islam is one of the three great monotheistic faiths, which have common roots and many common elements, mainly because like Christianity, Islam is based in Judaism.

 

No sense in proving little child that Santa doesn't exist, because in one way or another-somewhere in the deepest part of it's heart-child will know that Santa exists (until it grows up of course)

 

True, we all have people on drugs reaching highest level of ecstasy while reading some of the Books that preach certain religion. Blowing up,shooting at,and raping is product of person's conscious disorder and not religion.

 

You proved it yourself.

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If you want to play rough, I'll bite you hard right on your big mouth, by giving you my Islamization Quiz so, like many other Islamapologists, you can demonstrate your ignorance. Just say when.
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5 different translations of thos Suras? than you come to me who was raised according to that Book, stating that I am terrorist,rapist,that my father must have been beating my mother (just because he follows that Book) without knowing probably that that 'vile advocacy' of that Book actually helped out my parents to respect people in most difficult time for this country - for what they individually are and that that 'vile advocacy' made my parents not to dare to call other Books and generalize people in same manner as you do to us. And according to that vile advocacy I will say only this as the end of our clueless discussion on your myths:

Sûrah 109- Al-kâfirûn
"To you be your religion and to me my religion "

religion btw can also be seen as 'believing',since not every believing is necessarily religion.*

 

"5 different translations of thos Suras? than you come to me who was raised according to that Book, stating that I am terrorist,rapist,that my father must have been beating my mother (just because he follows that Book) without knowing probably that that 'vile advocacy' of that Book actually helped out my parents to respect people in most difficult time for this country - for what they individually are and that that 'vile advocacy' made my parents not to dare to call other Books and generalize people in same manner as you do to us. And according to that vile advocacy I will say only this as the end of our clueless discussion on your myths:

Sûrah 109- Al-kâfirûn
"To you be your religion and to me my religion ""

religion btw can also be seen as 'believing',since not every believing is necessarily religion.*[/QUOTE]

Call it whatever you want, but Islam has never been a religion. From its beginning, it was nothing but a shield for Mohammed and his equally worthless fiends to shield them from criticism. It was that then. It's that now.

 

1. Yes, I need to repeat it. Not to show anything about me, but to stopthe 1400 year old con job from continuing along its course that was created by mass murder.

2. All reasonable evidences ? HA HA. And what might those be ????? The only reason I could see for an ideology that preaches all the terrible things that Islam preaches, is just what I said. So that the originators could deflect attention away from their misdeeds, and cover themselves from attack. What else could explain it ?

3. It doesn't work the same for Christianity. Mohammed preached hate and war. Jesus preached love and peace. A good way to see the difference between Christianity and Islam is to compare the words of Jesus Christ with the words of Mo the pedophile.

Here's a few samples of that :

1. Jesus Christ - "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you, and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely, on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven."

Mohammad - "And slay them wherever you find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter".

2. Jesus Christ - "..if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also..."

Mohammad - "Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first ?"

3. Jesus Christ - "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."

Mohammed - "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and others besides whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know."

 

Verses belonging to same chapter? OK

 

Part2:

http://www.sudanvisiondaily.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=4717

 

How true. Whatever negative has been said about Muslims and Islam, I am sure we could find something just as similar about Catholics and Christianity!!

 

Protectionist, all you are doing is cherry picking parts of the Bible you agree with and comparing them to parts of the Quran you don't agree with.

Given enough time, I can show you what a violent and bloodthirsty religion Christianity is.