Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That's a tiny detail of how our tax system works. I stand by my statements on that.

    Let's get back to something of interest to more than just me.
     
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    I don't have a problem considering that a right to be served.
     
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    You mean a BLANKET right? You think that a racist has a right to be served?
     
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    I was just wondering why you think that it would be fair that you and others like you would pay so much more than what you do now under a universal health care system, while everyone else would pay less than what they do now.
     
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    Well, I don't know your country. What is it?
     
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    Of course you can be a Christian and liberal at the same time, they are far from mutually exclusive. I am exactly that. A true Christian would encourage and support liberal agendas to a certain extent. The line gets blurred when progressivism is confused with outright lunacy.

    I am going to bring the transsexual argument in here. I believe that anyone has the right to be who they choose but they should not expect it to be funded by others (When there are far worthier causes), and there has to be an honest debate about the wider implications. You can accept transsexualism but still be mindful of the consequences of promoting it. We will see a sharp rise in mental health cases regarding transsexuals (gender dysphoria) over the coming years. What may seem progressive can actually be extremely regressive.

    Another myth is that traditional values are the same as far right views. I am a strong believer in the nuclear family, does that mean I am not a liberal?

    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8
     
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    The systems of America are designed for the wealthy, especially those who can make money from people being sick.

    Do you really think our current system was designed to help working Americans?

    I seriously believe America will be better off when we move to a single payer system. And, I don't have any problem with those who "win big" under our system carrying more of the load.

    The evidence comes in the form of the success demonstrated by every other industrialized country in the world.
     
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    Having racists thoughts isn't illegal. In fact, we allow people from the president on down to fan the flames of racism in America.

    Mowing down people in a synagogue is illegal.

    Does that help?
     
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    I don’t think America will see a single payer healthcare system for decades, if at all. Their only hope was Sanders and the Dems showed that they are unwilling to back a socialist, obviously the republicans certainly wouldn’t either so that leaves no open avenues.

    It does shock me that America has such a backwards healthcare system considering the wealth that they have.
     
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    How is it a RIGHT to be served when it only applies to certain protected groups?
     
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    It sounds terrible to say it, but the US health system has been this way for a very long time and the country is still as strong as ever. The point is, you simply cannot compare it to defense and transportation!

    Okay, so then how is it relevant that, "speech happens when there is someone listening or watching?"
     
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    What "system/s" are you talking about?

    What about if THEY have a problem with it?

    Where the quality of healthcare is the same as in the US?
     
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    Public opinion of single payer healthcare is improving.

    We do have Medicare, a single payer system for those of retirement age. It's not too hard to sell "Medicare for all".

    One problem is that the US health insurance industry is gigantic as it feeds off the people. And, that industry would shrink dramatically.
     
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    Maybe, but Libertarianism is based on the delusion that individual liberty, not counterbalanced by rule of law, is compatible with collective well-being.

    Of course there is good law and bad law, but bad law can be changed by democratic processes. whereas individuals motivated wholely by unrestrained self-interest will result in anarchy, the opposite of collective wellbeing.

    "Love God and love one another" ….apparently an impossible achievement for humans, but the well-ordered community relations implicit in Christ's Great Commandments self evidently requires management of individual self interest, via rule of law.
     
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    You think that libertarians think that all laws are bad?
     
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    No, but I think libertarians over-emphasize personal liberty at the expense of community cohesion.

    Eg, Libertarians typically regard the involuntary 'charity' collected by government for community development - aka taxation - as theft.
     
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    We need to be liberal in our ethos (how we treat other people) and conservative in our theology, as Jesus was.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    You a Christian?
     
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    Loving life, I regard Christ as one of the great teachers of all time.

    But I'm not sure what Paul7's statement about Jesus being "theologically conservative" means.

    Eg, I would regard UN res 181 as the correct solution re Jerusalem's status in the modern world, in which 2.4 billion Christians, 1.8 billion Muslims, (and 1.1 billion Hindus) need to live respectfully and co-operatively with one-another, acknowledging One God, the Creator of Life.
     
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    So... you a Christian?
     
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    Can't you say?
     
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    The early Christian communities practiced an form of communism, i.e., possession sold and given to the community, so I would think a true Christian not only could be a modern day liberal but would have to be one.

    I should say that I am neither a liberal or a Christian.
     

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