Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But of course you are superior.
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Having paid 6 figure Federal income tax I'm guessing I have paid a lot more taxes over the years than you have. And the sad thing is I was working for a living, i.e., not living on investment income. It is easy to be a liberal when you either pay no taxes or are rich.
     
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    What you say is the reason I am glad we have our Constitution and some semblance of a free enterprise economic system. The problem with our system is 44% of the population don't pay Federal tax -- yet get to vote for politicians who give away taxpayer money to people who are able to contribute but won't contribute. How many of the the impoverished people in other countries you mention should get to come here and be supported by the American taxpayer?
     
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    First of all I am not a liberal. If you actually read the comments I have made in this thread you would know this (go back and read post 2025). Secondly I stated that this thread was about Christians AND liberals (post 2035). I never said it was about Christians vs. liberals. Thirdly, you claimed some god creates life (creationism). Given the fact that this is a thread about Christianity (and politics) when you talk about god creating life are you not talking about Adam and Eve? If your creationism reference is made with respect to some religion other the Christianity, it is not relevant to this discussion. BTW, what life do you think god created and what is your proof?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never mind, I see how you talk.
     
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    Because as a Christian, it is not for me to judge what an individual does. As I used gender dysphoria as the example I will use it again. If someone wants to claim to be a woman, then it is no skin off my nose but to me they will always be a man and no amount of surgery will ever change that. Society will either reject their lunacy or accept it. I'm guessing we are going down the road of rejection and I am comfortable with that.
     
  7. it's just me

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    Their assertion that the early Church was communist (they think this is "fact"), clearly an anachronism because there was no such thing as communism back then, for one, and the claim that Christians should be "liberal" which is a philosophical position and not a religious one, and the way that the word "liberal" is used today is not even what it originally meant.
     
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    The State doesn't pay for anything, lady, because it doesn't have any money, it gets money from us. That said, we the people have a right to say how our money is spent.
     
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    Clearly, you don't know Christianity, who are you to be telling others how to practice it?
     
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    The early Christians had communal ownership of property - call it what you want.
     
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    Mean spirited people don't want to help those in need, but they expect and even demand to be helped when they are in need, and they expect the government to do it. It is very, very Christian and according to Christ's teaching for those who have to share with those who don't.
     
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    Obviously I know a great deal more about Christ and Christianity than you do.
     
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    Actually, Jesus said 'give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to the God's.' The government does what is wants with taxes.

    Money is within the realm of the flesh, a Christian should give within the realm of spirit.
     
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    I'll call it what they called it, and they didn't call it communism.
     
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    Obviously, you know very little about yourself. You are not Christ or God.
     
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    There is a word for people who want to tell others what to do with their own money and property, they are not just greedy, they are covetous. They don't just want what they can get, they want what you have as well. If you had it your way you would steal from people who need their earnings and give it to people of your political persuasion, whether they needed it or not.
     
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    And how is this not communistic?

    From each according to his ability ("[T]hen the disciples, every man according to his ability....)

    To each according to his needs ("[A[nd all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had.").
     
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    Isn't it amazing that a large number of Christians can't grasp that the early Cristian community followed a form of communism?
     
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    What's really amazing is that a large number of outsiders can't grasp the fact that Christians today do what Christians have always done, and it wasn't political then and it's not political now.
     
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    I never mentioned a sky man nor sky men.

    I do entertain the idea though that our universe is a virtual reality and there are some physicists who would find that not only credible but possible. But like philosophical material, which is probably the foundation of your own view of reality, it is so far not within the realm of evidence to support it.

    I am of course echoing things Sheldrake has brought up, and given he is a scientist with accomplishments in research, for some reason his opinions hold more relevance for me, than your own.
     
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    It's very simple. One is communism. The other is not. They are separated by 2000 years.
     
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    Well you don't really know my opinions other than I think the Bible is to a large degree BS. I can see the logic of a virtual reality universe. That being said, the only proof I see for any religious view of the world is the work of Ian Stevenson which seems to provide some proof for reincarnation.
     
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    I'm not sure exactly what you're proposing here, so just let me say:

    I think we can all agree that the realm of spirit includes help for those in need.

    Given our population, its distribution and the need we clearly see, individual contributions to an individual is very clearly inadequate while we can use our combined efforts through government to make a real difference.

    So, I really don't see any of the interpretations of the "give to Caesar" quote as excusing us from using government to solve serious need.
     
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    The word for people who want the world to be a place where those who have a lot share with those who have very little, the word for people who are caring and generous, the word for people who are NOT covetous is CHRISTIAN. Resenting and fearing those who are needy is not Christian.
     
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    ?? Sorry. Christians are at least as political as anyone else, even to the extent of using churches to preach partisan allegiance.

    And, that's not something Jesus ever advocated or took part in.
     

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