Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

Bowerbird · Aug 12, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

On July 3, 2018, young reporter Chris Nichols gave President Trump the “Pants-on-Fire” award at PolitiFake, here. The problem is the tweet he was whining about came from the White House, not from Trump. Leaving that aside, and assuming it was Trump, poor Chris got it all wrong anyway, as you would expect from PolitiFake.

The tweet in question said the following:

@SenKamalaHarris, why are you supporting the animals of MS-13? You must not know what ICE really does. Here is a link to help you out:

The link was to this page.

Chris Nichols then wrote about how Kamala Harris had NOT supported MS-13. He said of MS-13, “The gang grew out of poor Los Angeles neighborhoods where many refugees from civil wars in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua lived in the 1980s.”

My, you would think he might mention their motto, which is, “kill, rape and control,” or that they are a transnational criminal organization dubbed “the most dangerous gang in the world”, but no, he simply said they were a ‘violent gang’. Gee, I’ll bet MS-13 like Chris for that.

Of course there is no way the White House is going to say that Democratic senator Kamala Harris supports MS-13 without good reason. So what is the good reason? Simple. She supports the removal of ICE. Removing ICE is something that MS-13 would celebrate and rejoice over. If that’s not supporting MS-13, what the hell is?

Here's Californian Senator Kamala Harris in a CNN article entitled "These Democrats want to abolish ICE."

"I think there's no question that we've got to critically re-examine ICE and its role and the way that it is being administered and the work it is doing," she told MSNBC. "And we need to probably think about starting from scratch."

So once again, no lie. A political opinion is not a lie. It is an opinion.

And who is Chris Nichols? As with all the other pics I have posted, you can easily google the names to check for yourself. Here he is:

Chris is a young Californian from San Diego. Who would have guessed?
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More argumentum ad hominem fallacies?

Rob Larrikin · Aug 12, 2018

Adfundum said: ↑

Wrong. Lockheed did take the deal. There were some disagreements as to how it would work, but Lockheed did not file suit, thereby accepting the unilateral contract issued by the Pentagon in 2016, which had nothing to do with Trump.

All of which was part of the unilateral contract, and comes from the articles dated before Trump took office. Lockheed could have sued if it wanted to contest the contract, but it didn't. That means Lockheed accepted the unilateral contract before Trump took office.
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The pages you pointed at are examples of the two sides negotiating, as shown in my last reply. I will say the same thing I would say if you had said pigs can fly. Show me the proof.

Adfundum · Aug 12, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

The pages you pointed at are examples of the two sides negotiating, as shown in my last reply. I will say the same thing I would say if you had said pigs can fly. Show me the proof.
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Wow...
The unilateral contract eliminated the negotiating. It was the Pentagon saying 'take it or leave it.' It's clearly stated in the articles I linked.

Like I said, the only thing left to do was to decide what to cut and what to keep, and like I said, that's for the engineers to decide.

I've showed you the proof, but you choose to side-step it by refusing to acknowledge what the unilateral contract did.

You can ignore it, you can dismiss it, but you can't change the fact that the cost-cutting negotiations ended with the Pentagon's take-it-or-leave-it unilateral contract in 2016, before Trump became president.

Again, I'll admit you are correct if you can show me what exactly Trump did that "made the deal." No one seems to be able to do that.

Rob Larrikin · Aug 12, 2018

Here is an example of how Fake News works. We start with an article in that great bastion of Fake News, the failing New York Times, May 25, 2018. Let’s just cut to the chase. The paragraph in question reads [emphasis mine]:

As with so many issues involving this president, the views of his aides often have little effect on what he actually says. On Thursday, for example, a senior White House official told reporters that even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.

Trump saw this and it angered him, because of all the senior White House officials he knew, he couldn’t imagine any of them saying this. A senior White House official saying it was impossible? No way.

So Trump correctly tweeted:

The Failing @nytimes quotes “a senior White House official,” who doesn’t exist, as saying “even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.” WRONG AGAIN! Use real people, not phony sources.

After that, Fake News expressed great poutrage, insisting that in fact their beloved senior White House official DID exist, and that it was NOT phony news. Trump hater Louis Jacobson accused President Trump of lying, in his PolitiFake article, May 29th, 2018.

He explained that the senior White House official was Matthew Pottinger, and published what the White house press official had said [emphasis mine]

"This briefing’s going to be on background, off camera, not for broadcast. Pottinger here can be referred to as a senior White House official. He is deputy assistant to the president for Asia. And you can take it from here."

He also explained that Pottinger had not used the word ‘impossible’ as the New York Times had said, but decided that this didn’t matter.

In fact the New York Times (and all of Fake News, including PolitiFake) made two mistakes.

1) Matthew Pottinger did not use the word ‘impossible’, so that was a mischievous misquote.
2) Matthew Pottinger was not a senior White House official.

When Trump saw the New York Times paragraph, which read,

"As with so many issues involving this president, the views of his aides often have little effect on what he actually says. On Thursday, for example, a senior White House official told reporters that even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed,"

he was perfectly correct in saying:

"The Failing @nytimes quotes “a senior White House official,” who doesn’t exist, as saying “even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.” WRONG AGAIN! Use real people, not phony sources."

Indeed, since Pottinger is not a senior White House official, and since he did not say ‘impossible’, the ‘senior White House official’ was indeed invented by the failing New York Times.

Once again, no lie.

Results for the Left so far:

ZERO.

Rob Larrikin · Aug 13, 2018

Another example of mischievous reporting is the “Pants-on-Fire” article by young Chris Nichols’, March 13, 2018, in PolitiFake, here.
Chris writes:

Here’s Trump’s full statement made March 13, 2018:

"For the people that say 'no wall,' if you had no walls over here, you wouldn’t have a country. The state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don’t tell you that. And we said no, we won’t do it until we build the whole wall."

That’s great Chris, except for one small detail. That isn’t what Trump said. Here is the transcript, which is reasonably accurate, but for exact wording listen to the video provided at that link. I have, and the exact quote is as follows:

But you know, for the people that say no wall, if you didn't have walls over here you wouldn't even have a country. You wouldn't even have a country. And by the way, the state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don't tell you that. And we said no, we won't do it until we build the whole wall. But there are certain areas as you know where they are really wanting us to build a wall, and... because the people are complaining; people are pouring in, so, y’know, they don't talk about that.

Here’s how that misquote would look if Chris Nichols left instructions for it:

The wicked gremlins of Fake News strike again.

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

Thanks - yes, I'd love to see just one lie from Trump. I've tried looking for a genuine one but came up empty. When I asked others, they would throw the usual Politifake and NYTimes lists, which are all flawed. When I look at any single allegation they all fail. Here's another example:

I replied:

Yes, in January 2018 Trump had been attacked by the since discredited author Michael Wolff, who wrote a book claiming Trump was unfit for the job of POTUS and not capable of, or interested in, processing information and making important decisions. Of course Fake News latched onto this at the time and began beating it up as though Wolff was a genius. Later they found out he was a liar and a cheat. At the time Trump had no choice but to speak for himself, and of course Fake News would then call that ‘boasting’. In their world self-defense is ‘boasting’, if you’re Trump. If you’re Obama it’s ‘just telling it as it is’. In fact if you’re Obama such a book won’t be published, let alone touted. Here is the entire text from all three Trump tweets:

Now that Russian collusion, after one year of intense study, has proven to be a total hoax on the American public, the Democrats and their lapdogs, the Fake News Mainstream Media, are taking out the old Ronald Reagan playbook and screaming mental stability and intelligence. Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!

The tweets were published at 4:19 AM, although on the link above, the Washington Times shows them as being posted at 12.19 PM, which is strange because they write, “In a tweetstorm Saturday morning…”

He wrote this at 4:19 AM and Trump was 71.5 years old at the time. So what if he temporarily forgot he had campaigned for a few months at the end of the last century, some 18 years before? If your 71 year old grandfather forgot that detail when he was defending himself from horrible false allegations in a book, and being hounded by the press about it, at 4:19 AM, would you say, “You’re a f****ing liar!” What kind of person would treat an elderly person like that? Especially a President?

The idea that it was a “lie” is so pathetic it’s embarrassing. So once again there was no lie. Just an elderly man who forgot a relatively trivial detail from 18 years ago at 4 AM. Had you been there at the time, and prompted him by saying, “Are you sure it was the only time?” he would have laughed and said, “Oh, okay, there was that time in 1999, but hell, that was another lifetime ago.”

Score so far: Zero lies for Trump.

Surely Lefties can do better than this…
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When will Mexico be paying for that wall??

Where is that big beautiful health coverage for everyone he promised??

When is he going to show his tax return??

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

As per your link, Trump said the following:

We’re going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific. Terrific people. Terrific brains. Successful. We’re going to have the best of the best. And, honestly, if you don’t learn from them, if you don’t learn from me, if you don’t learn from the people that we are going to be putting forward — and these are all people that are handpicked by me — then you’re just not going to make it in terms of the world of success.

This is what Trump said, and in my opinion he meant it. Things change and many plans businessmen make may change depending on what eventuates. I should know - I'm a businessman myself. Many times I have made plans and they have had to change for various reasons. If Trump planned to have handpicked instructors, and then, for whatever reason, had to appoint someone else to handpick them, the question becomes “was it a lie, or did he mean it at the time?” If he meant it at the time, and for unforeseen circumstances, things changed, then you cannot assume it was a lie. The onus is on you the accuser, to prove that when he said the words he was deliberately meaning to deceive. Until you do that you cannot honestly state it was a lie. So, where is your proof? Without it, you have no lie.
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Things changed?? LOL WTF. Then why didn't he come straight out and TOLD the students so BEFORE they signed up for the classes? Your excuse for his lie is what pathetic.

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

Another example of mischievous reporting is the “Pants-on-Fire” article by young Chris Nichols’, March 13, 2018, in PolitiFake, here.
Chris writes:

Here’s Trump’s full statement made March 13, 2018:

"For the people that say 'no wall,' if you had no walls over here, you wouldn’t have a country. The state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don’t tell you that. And we said no, we won’t do it until we build the whole wall."

That’s great Chris, except for one small detail. That isn’t what Trump said. Here is the transcript, which is reasonably accurate, but for exact wording listen to the video provided at that link. I have, and the exact quote is as follows:

But you know, for the people that say no wall, if you didn't have walls over here you wouldn't even have a country. You wouldn't even have a country. And by the way, the state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don't tell you that. And we said no, we won't do it until we build the whole wall. But there are certain areas as you know where they are really wanting us to build a wall, and... because the people are complaining; people are pouring in, so, y’know, they don't talk about that.

Here’s how that misquote would look if Chris Nichols left instructions for it:

The wicked gremlins of Fake News strike again.
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Who is this magical "State of California" that "beg" for a wall??? As far as I know CA's governor gave Trump a proverbial middle finger.

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

On July 3, 2018, young reporter Chris Nichols gave President Trump the “Pants-on-Fire” award at PolitiFake, here. The problem is the tweet he was whining about came from the White House, not from Trump. Leaving that aside, and assuming it was Trump, poor Chris got it all wrong anyway, as you would expect from PolitiFake.

The tweet in question said the following:

@SenKamalaHarris, why are you supporting the animals of MS-13? You must not know what ICE really does. Here is a link to help you out:

The link was to this page.

Chris Nichols then wrote about how Kamala Harris had NOT supported MS-13. He said of MS-13, “The gang grew out of poor Los Angeles neighborhoods where many refugees from civil wars in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua lived in the 1980s.”

My, you would think he might mention their motto, which is, “kill, rape and control,” or that they are a transnational criminal organization dubbed “the most dangerous gang in the world”, but no, he simply said they were a ‘violent gang’. Gee, I’ll bet MS-13 like Chris for that.

Of course there is no way the White House is going to say that Democratic senator Kamala Harris supports MS-13 without good reason. So what is the good reason? Simple. She supports the removal of ICE. Removing ICE is something that MS-13 would celebrate and rejoice over. If that’s not supporting MS-13, what the hell is?

Here's Californian Senator Kamala Harris in a CNN article entitled "These Democrats want to abolish ICE."

"I think there's no question that we've got to critically re-examine ICE and its role and the way that it is being administered and the work it is doing," she told MSNBC. "And we need to probably think about starting from scratch."

So once again, no lie. A political opinion is not a lie. It is an opinion.

And who is Chris Nichols? As with all the other pics I have posted, you can easily google the names to check for yourself. Here he is:

Chris is a young Californian from San Diego. Who would have guessed?
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That's a LIE. Trump can't prove that Harris SUPPORT MS-13. If he wasn't president, he would have been sued for defamation of character for yet another LIE. You, Trump, and this "fact checker" is extremely weak at logic.

Rob Larrikin · Aug 13, 2018

rcfoolinca288 said: ↑

When will Mexico be paying for that wall??

Where is that big beautiful health coverage for everyone he promised??

When is he going to show his tax return??
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Patience.
While we're waiting for him to either succeed or fail in doing those things, do you have any evidence of a lie he told? If so, place it here. Not a Gish Gallop mind, or ranting off the top of your head. Just the details of the alleged lie (word for word) and a relevant link. Save the name calling, emotion, ranting for some other time. Just deliver the goods. Nobody else has - and I've been waiting a long time.

Rob Larrikin · Aug 13, 2018

rcfoolinca288 said: ↑

Things changed?? LOL WTF. Then why didn't he come straight out and TOLD the students so BEFORE they signed up for the classes? Your excuse for his lie is what pathetic.
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Why didn't he told the students? In English we say, "Why didn't he tell the students?"

Either things changed, as they often do in business, or Trump simply meant he handpicked them 'through' experts. Bill Gates might say in an advertisement, "I approved these new designs," when in fact he gave the job of approving the new designs to his trusted managers. In fact he did approve them 'through' his trusted managers. If you can't understand that process scale it down to your own body. You say you picked up an apple. Did you? Wasn't it your hand that picked the apple up? Yes? Then why did you say it was you? The answer is that you picked the apple up 'through' your hand or 'using' your hand. It's the same if you hired a killer to kill someone. Who killed them, you or the hired killer? In court you will be charged with first degree murder. The hired killer may get away with manslaughter, or second degree murder, especially on a plea, but you, you will be considered the prime murderer, even though you were ten thousand miles away when it happened. According to your logic, no, you couldn't be the murderer, but you're wrong. Just as Trump can do something through an expert, so too can you have someone killed through an expert.

Bowerbird · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

Here is an example of how Fake News works. We start with an article in that great bastion of Fake News, the failing New York Times, May 25, 2018. Let’s just cut to the chase. The paragraph in question reads [emphasis mine]:

As with so many issues involving this president, the views of his aides often have little effect on what he actually says. On Thursday, for example, a senior White House official told reporters that even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.

Trump saw this and it angered him, because of all the senior White House officials he knew, he couldn’t imagine any of them saying this. A senior White House official saying it was impossible? No way.

So Trump correctly tweeted:

The Failing @nytimes quotes “a senior White House official,” who doesn’t exist, as saying “even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.” WRONG AGAIN! Use real people, not phony sources.

After that, Fake News expressed great poutrage, insisting that in fact their beloved senior White House official DID exist, and that it was NOT phony news. Trump hater Louis Jacobson accused President Trump of lying, in his PolitiFake article, May 29th, 2018.

He explained that the senior White House official was Matthew Pottinger, and published what the White house press official had said [emphasis mine]

"This briefing’s going to be on background, off camera, not for broadcast. Pottinger here can be referred to as a senior White House official. He is deputy assistant to the president for Asia. And you can take it from here."

He also explained that Pottinger had not used the word ‘impossible’ as the New York Times had said, but decided that this didn’t matter.

In fact the New York Times (and all of Fake News, including PolitiFake) made two mistakes.

1) Matthew Pottinger did not use the word ‘impossible’, so that was a mischievous misquote.
2) Matthew Pottinger was not a senior White House official.

When Trump saw the New York Times paragraph, which read,

"As with so many issues involving this president, the views of his aides often have little effect on what he actually says. On Thursday, for example, a senior White House official told reporters that even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed,"

he was perfectly correct in saying:

"The Failing @nytimes quotes “a senior White House official,” who doesn’t exist, as saying “even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.” WRONG AGAIN! Use real people, not phony sources."

Indeed, since Pottinger is not a senior White House official, and since he did not say ‘impossible’, the ‘senior White House official’ was indeed invented by the failing New York Times.

Once again, no lie.

Results for the Left so far:

ZERO.
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You have not answered adfundums points just as you have not answered mine

Bowerbird · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

Another example of mischievous reporting is the “Pants-on-Fire” article by young Chris Nichols’, March 13, 2018, in PolitiFake, here.
Chris writes:

Here’s Trump’s full statement made March 13, 2018:

"For the people that say 'no wall,' if you had no walls over here, you wouldn’t have a country. The state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don’t tell you that. And we said no, we won’t do it until we build the whole wall."

That’s great Chris, except for one small detail. That isn’t what Trump said. Here is the transcript, which is reasonably accurate, but for exact wording listen to the video provided at that link. I have, and the exact quote is as follows:

But you know, for the people that say no wall, if you didn't have walls over here you wouldn't even have a country. You wouldn't even have a country. And by the way, the state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don't tell you that. And we said no, we won't do it until we build the whole wall. But there are certain areas as you know where they are really wanting us to build a wall, and... because the people are complaining; people are pouring in, so, y’know, they don't talk about that.

Here’s how that misquote would look if Chris Nichols left instructions for it:

The wicked gremlins of Fake News strike again.
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This is about as authentic as Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate

LOLS!!!

Rob Larrikin · Aug 13, 2018

rcfoolinca288 said: ↑

Who is this magical "State of California" that "beg" for a wall???
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Trump didn’t say “State” with a capital ‘S’. That was imagined by you. See this definition of ‘State’ vs ‘state’ in English grammar:

"State" with a capital letter refers specifically to a state's government or an agency acting in an official capacity on the state's behalf, while "state" with lower case letters refers to the geographic territory within the state boundaries.”

Trump said (relevant part in red), “And by the way, the state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don't tell you that. And we said no, we won't do it until we build the whole wall. But there are certain areas as you know where they are really wanting us to build a wall, and... because the people are complaining; people are pouring in, so, y’know, they don't talk about that.

It’s obvious he was talking about the people in different parts of the state. The mischievous gremlins in Fake News tried to pretend he was talking about the State government. You think he doesn't know the Californian State Government hate the idea of a wall? Come on, man! What the hell?

Rob Larrikin · Aug 13, 2018

rcfoolinca288 said: ↑

That's a LIE. Trump can't prove that Harris SUPPORT MS-13.
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In English we say ‘supports’ with an ‘s’. Kamala Harris wants the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement law enforcement agency of the federal government of the United States abolished. Like many children of immigrants (her parents were Tamil Indian and Jamaican immigrants), she wants open borders, sanctuary and voting for illegals. MS-13 would applaud Kamala for wanting to shut ICE down, and if that’s not “support”, what is? Many illegal immigrants and Californian Democrats want ICE abolished. Kamala Harris is a Californian Democrat Senator, so duh, it’s pretty clear she’s on the same team.

Bowerbird · Aug 13, 2018

Okay

Let us see you defend this lie without an ad hominem attack against either the paper or the journalist

.

Standing next to May, Trump opened the event by saying the interview he had given to the British tabloid newspaper the Sun, in which he criticised May’s handling of Brexit and threatened to kill a prospective US-British trade deal, was “fake news”.

Trump had done so, and the Sun had audio tape to prove it. But for the president, when he uses the term “fake news”, it does not only mean news whose accuracy he questions; it also means any news that is negative for him.
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...18/jul/13/trump-fake-news-fox-cnn-theresa-may

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

Why didn't he told the students? In English we say, "Why didn't he tell the students?"

Either things changed, as they often do in business, or Trump simply meant he handpicked them 'through' experts. Bill Gates might say in an advertisement, "I approved these new designs," when in fact he gave the job of approving the new designs to his trusted managers. In fact he did approve them 'through' his trusted managers. If you can't understand that process scale it down to your own body. You say you picked up an apple. Did you? Wasn't it your hand that picked the apple up? Yes? Then why did you say it was you? The answer is that you picked the apple up 'through' your hand or 'using' your hand. It's the same if you hired a killer to kill someone. Who killed them, you or the hired killer? In court you will be charged with first degree murder. The hired killer may get away with manslaughter, or second degree murder, especially on a plea, but you, you will be considered the prime murderer, even though you were ten thousand miles away when it happened. According to your logic, no, you couldn't be the murderer, but you're wrong. Just as Trump can do something through an expert, so too can you have someone killed through an expert.
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Trump needs an interpreter for everything he say. I guess you can read his mind. Don't try to correct my English if you can't understand what he said.

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

Trump didn’t say “State” with a capital ‘S’. That was imagined by you. See this definition of ‘State’ vs ‘state’ in English grammar:

"State" with a capital letter refers specifically to a state's government or an agency acting in an official capacity on the state's behalf, while "state" with lower case letters refers to the geographic territory within the state boundaries.”

Trump said (relevant part in red), “And by the way, the state of California is begging us to build walls in certain areas. They don't tell you that. And we said no, we won't do it until we build the whole wall. But there are certain areas as you know where they are really wanting us to build a wall, and... because the people are complaining; people are pouring in, so, y’know, they don't talk about that.

It’s obvious he was talking about the people in different parts of the state. The mischievous gremlins in Fake News tried to pretend he was talking about the State government. You think he doesn't know the Californian State Government hate the idea of a wall? Come on, man! What the hell?
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Sure English professor.

rcfoolinca288 · Aug 13, 2018

Rob Larrikin said: ↑

In English we say ‘supports’ with an ‘s’. Kamala Harris wants the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement law enforcement agency of the federal government of the United States abolished. Like many children of immigrants (her parents were Tamil Indian and Jamaican immigrants), she wants open borders, sanctuary and voting for illegals. MS-13 would applaud Kamala for wanting to shut ICE down, and if that’s not “support”, what is? Many illegal immigrants and Californian Democrats want ICE abolished. Kamala Harris is a Californian Democrat Senator, so duh, it’s pretty clear she’s on the same team.
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The English professor doesn't understand the meaning of "support." What a surprise.

Bowerbird · Aug 13, 2018

rcfoolinca288 said: ↑

The English professor doesn't understand the meaning of "support." What a surprise.
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I think he is aiming for the full set of logical fallacies

He has racked up at least ten of them so far

Adfundum · Aug 13, 2018

If you look at Trump's comments and speeches, it's clear that his grammar is lacking. He requires a good bit of interpreting and man-splainin'. It's a shame that some imagine him as a kind of Cassandra, but with testicles for tonsils. The truth is, ill formed language comes from ill formed intellect--which reminds me of another lie: "I'm a genius."

XploreR · Aug 13, 2018

Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?
There are so many of them, it would take a full time employee working 18 hours a day just to keep track of them. Why pick only one? Anyway, if you're a Trump devotee then nothing we cite as examples will make any difference. Trump supporters don't put any value on honesty or integrity. They adore aggressive, bullying behaviors as a sign of strength--similar to the Germans & Italians with Hitler & Mussolini in the 1930's. Hopefully they'll remain a minority, and the majority of us will replace Trump next round.

Rob Larrikin · Aug 13, 2018

Another Lefty:

CBS NEWS October 9, 2016
Trump added that sometimes, because he was the owner, he would go backstage while contestants were naked or getting dressed.

I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed,” Trump said. “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it…. ‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.
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The CBS News link you couldn’t find is here. I don’t see a lie but I do see Fake News. The quote above has been added to, edited and had sections cut out. The actual script, as you can verify in this video, can be seen below:

I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed, and ready, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it. You know, I’m inspecting, I want to make sure that everything is good. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ and you see these incredible looking women. And so, I sort of get away with things like that.

Once again, a note to explain these changes would look like this:

Adfundum · Aug 13, 2018

XploreR said: ↑

Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?
There are so many of them, it would take a full time employee working 18 hours a day just to keep track of them. Why pick only one? Anyway, if you're a Trump devotee then nothing we cite as examples will make any difference. Trump supporters don't put any value on honesty or integrity. They adore aggressive, bullying behaviors as a sign of strength--similar to the Germans & Italians with Hitler & Mussolini in the 1930's. Hopefully they'll remain a minority, and the majority of us will replace Trump next round.
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Isn't it odd how people can see him in such different ways. In many ways, it's that old Spartan/Athens divide.

Adfundum · Aug 13, 2018

Rob, that note is a fake unless you can actually validate it's source. I could post a bunch of fake notes on the same site you got that from, and mine would be just as valid.

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